Originally posted by ULTIMA1
Originally posted by Valhall
Yeah, I'm sure most of them started there. That's about all I have in common with them though.
Well i am sure there would not as many theories if the FBI and FAA would release more information. The more they hold back the more it looks like
they are covering something.
Ultima your a good guy and I appreciate the opportunity to talk with you. I disagree with your statement, however.
My impression is, no, no it wouldn't. Truthers claim this as one of their sentinel arguments and, I have to agree. If what you’re claiming is true.
Honestly, I don't know if it is, or isn't. My point is this: it's from the feds. The rally cry right now
is one of "release the
files!!!!", as you say. If they actually did, the rally cry would then become
they withheld some information, played games with the numbers
or operated in secrecy.
For the truth movement to have any credibility, which to me they don't, they have to be willing to get off arguments that are just plain absurd,
which they refuse to do.
I guess what I am trying to say is, to me in my opinion, it seems as though the truth movement lives
for questions and ignores the answers when
they don't fit their already determined outcome(s).
What if the truth movement is, in fact, a red herring, would the leaders be willing to say something along the lines of 'we were wrong, but there
are many aspects that are worth perusing"?
Would truth leaders/vocal advocates be willing to start a public education campaign that admits there are all kinds of kooks making a mockery of the
idea of truth, identify them and move on to real, worthwhile aspects of 9-11 that really might hold a conspiracy?
My contention is no, they would not. To most truthers, IMO, the act of asking questions seems to be the stone by which the build their house on. They
don't seem to listen to the answers and will go to almost any extreme of ridiculousness to force their agenda, and demand you take them seriously.
I have heard the term 'flat earthers' when referencing people who believe the official story. Believers ask for real proof. Not speculation, not
conjecture. Believers ask for mountains of data that form a trend where the truth typically resides. That’s not a flat earther. A flat-earther is
someone who is presented with volumes of evidence by the leading experts in their fields and then dismiss all of it, on it’s face, because they
You truthers are the flat earthers; believing what you believe because a few high disciples (despite mountains upon mountains of publicly available
research, findings, etc) have told you it isn’t so. And you believe it. What do they offer? Web sites with questionable sources, shadowy
‘experts’ and a lot of speculation built on speculation coupled with a very high dose of not understanding what they are talking about.
Instead of claiming the 9-11 Commission report is an “Omission Report”, how about you all get Soros and others to fund an alternate report? How
about you get it peered reviewed by scientists….experts in their fields? I am not the first person to suggest this. There is a darn good reason that
That reason? Conspiracy theories tend not to survive the harsh lights of reality, complete understanding and context. And, for good reason: truthers
don’t care about any of that. What they care about is making evidence fit their outlook on life.
I really believe the truthers in these forms believe the more they talk, the more they bring the exact same claims into question and the shear volume
of posts give credence to their arguments. It doesn’t. It just causes those of us who have tried to explain the realities of what’s claimed ad
nausea to stop talking. This is ironic because as the same “theories” are endlessly mutated, rehashed and brought up the realization occurs, to
many, that there really isn’t any discussion going on. Only advocacy to a captive audience. So, we stop talking and truthers stand around claiming
“they win” because believers are – simply put – exhausted from explaining the same things over and over and over again to people who don’t
really care what the answers are in the first place.
Again, the truth movement has nothing to do with truth or 9-11.