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reply posted on 27-1-2008 @ 12:15 PM by OrionStars
Originally posted by thesneakiod
reply to
post by Jeff Riff




Ive no idea what you really want here, you want proof, proof of what? Scientific reports of why the towers fell, which has been done. Is that proof? Or just do you just accept what you want to believe?

The proof that planes hit the towers? Multiple witnesses, caught live on TV, is that proof for you?

The fact that there are Muslim extremists out there who despise the west and have made no bones about destroying us, is that proof?


To clarify - pseudo-science reports how the towers fell and nothing more.

Could you please define what you consider to be science proof? We need your conception, because those of us, with solid backgrounds in science and building construction, have been explaining what is necessary for valid science proof. All our opposition engages in is mimicry of the "official" reports of no valid science proof.

Are you certain you understand what it takes to validate anything in science? Because if you and others did, you would not be mimicking the "official" reports. One pertinent factor, which is always quite obvious in lack of science knowledge, is mimicry of the "official" reports.

People, engaging in it, refuse to explain the science used to write those reports, and instead begin engaging in red herring and ad hominem when requested to do so. The reports are all pseudo-science, and fully unrecognized as such by those mimicking them.

People simply cite the reports and nothing more. That proves only that people have no science knowledge of their own to share concerning the "official" reports.


reply posted on 27-1-2008 @ 12:20 PM by OrionStars
reply to post by Jeff Riff



Jeff, you gave me an idea. How about faith believers? Because that is all they are running on is faith with no science to support them.



reply posted on 27-1-2008 @ 12:28 PM by OrionStars
Originally posted by apex
Originally posted by OrionStars
Structures falling iwthout the use of controlled demolitions:

www.ngdc.noaa.gov...

web.ics.purdue.edu...


Interesting, so earthquake damage, e.g. liquefaction is now similar to a plane or similar flying into the side of a building? The only skyscrapers (well i say skyscrapers, tall buildings really) in those images are lying slightly to the side, and none are anywhere near as tall as the WTC was, and are destroyed by foundation damage. Not what I would call similar to an aircraft.

The energy it takes to create a pyroclastic flow and molecular disintegration:
vulcan.wr.usgs.gov...



Do you even know what a pyroclastic flow is? [edit on 27-1-2008 by apex]



I edited your post for necessary brevity.

I can see you missed the entire scientific comparison and intentionally so. You can continue running on obstinate faith belief alone, or start proving with science, not pseudo-science, the "official" reports. You should be able to personally do that, while not solely relying any longer on someone else's words to make your points of argument, shouldn't you?


reply posted on 27-1-2008 @ 12:32 PM by OrionStars
Originally posted by thesneakiod
reply to
post by ULTIMA1



There have been countless people on here ULTIMA1 who have done research in to why they collapsed, scientific research no less. Its not just blind belief. A simple search on here will prove that.


Could you please cite those you believe did that? It is not clear what you mean. Thank you.


reply posted on 27-1-2008 @ 12:33 PM by jfj123
reply to post by OrionStars



because those of us, with solid backgrounds in science and building construction,


May I respectfully ask what your background is in building construction and science? Thanks.


reply posted on 27-1-2008 @ 01:00 PM by CaptainObvious
reply to post by Valhall



Val,

The post was directed to Orion who dismisses the entire government investigation, physical evidence, DNA evidence, eyewitness statements, photographic & video evidence. Orion is a no planer and voice morpher supporter.

In regard to the NIST report, I have looked into many of the claims made by engineers here and at other sites. I have taken these claims and asked others [professionals] if they hold water. So far not one person has proven the NIST report wrong. There have been MANY independant papers written that support the findings with NIST.

Again, NIST and their findings are supported by 99.999% of the professional community.

Thanks Val,

C.O.


reply posted on 27-1-2008 @ 01:08 PM by jfj123
reply to post by OrionStars




because those of us, with solid backgrounds in science and building construction,


In case you missed my last post...

May I respectfully ask what your background is in building construction and science? Thanks.
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