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Originally posted by Jeff Riff
The thing that really makes me question what happened that day is the testimony of William Rodriguez.... I know that I have mentioned this before, and I dont think that I have heard anyone give me a reasonable explanation of how this man is lying....or heard something that did not really happen.
Originally posted by Pro-genetic
reply to post by Cuhail
Occam's Razor! this states All other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best. In other words, when multiple competing theories are equal in other respects, the principle recommends selecting the theory that introduces the fewest assumptions and postulates the fewest entities.
And im only ever hearing assumtions and postulations from the, lets call it the "anti government side" where as the pro side has facts and figures to back it up! Pretty simple!
Originally posted by WraothAscendant
reply to post by cams
Funny thing about water.
You know turns into a gas?
It wouldn't just automatically cool molten steel bury insulated pile.
And in that pile I would imagine the metal was well insulated.
Not also to forget that the heat from the molten steel would in turn heat up the pile.
And the pile could protect the molten steel from sustained contact with the water. By simple fact of being sooo hot and by the simple fact of shielding it.
And please dispense with the condescending remarks.
I am not any less intelligent than you are.
[edit on 29-1-2008 by WraothAscendant]
Puffs Of Dust
Once each tower began to collapse, the weight of all the floors above the collapsed zone bore down with pulverizing force on the highest intact floor. Unable to absorb the massive energy, that floor would fail, transmitting the forces to the floor below, allowing the collapse to progress downward through the building in a chain reaction. Engineers call the process "pancaking," and it does not require an explosion to begin, according to David Biggs, a structural engineer at Ryan-Biggs Associates and a member of the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) team that worked on the FEMA report.
Originally posted by dbates
Something tells me that the NIST practices quite a bit of science at either one of their two laboratories. (Gaithersburg, Md., and Boulder, Colo) What exactly is the problem with NIST? Is it simply because they are on the government payroll?
Originally posted by Pilgrum
On the subject of the account from William Rodriguez his testimony seems to have 'mutated' over the years.
Anyone got any thoughts on that?
Louie Cacchioli, 51, is a firefighter assigned to Engine 47 in Harlem. We were the first ones in the second tower after the plane struck. I was taking firefighters up in the elevator to the 24th floor to get in position to evacuate workers. On the last trip up a bomb went off. We think there was bombs set in the building.
Originally, on September 12, 2001, People Magazine ran a few short paragraphs about the 20-year veteran New York fireman hearing what sounded like bombs exploding in the north tower. Short and sweet, that was it. A few short words about bombs exploding, but words that were repeated over and over again in story after story by writers and broadcasters who never even bothered to talk to him in the first place.Furthermore, Cacchioli was upset that People Magazine misquoted him, saying "there were bombs" in the building when all he said was he heard "what sounded like bombs" without having definitive proof bombs were actually detonated.
...I asked the senior man working to take the elevator.He entered the elevator with the last company that went up. They went up to the 24th floor or the 22nd floor and the company was getting off. I think it was the truck company at that time, because he grabbed the last guy getting out, who was the irons man and he said "You gotta stay with me, because I need tools in the elevator." At that time, the doors closed and that's when the power went out. Which, what we found out later was when the south tower fell down. They were able to force their way out of the elevator and for some reason the guy from the truck, from 13 truck, went to the right and he went to the left and found a stairwell and he was able to make it out. Q. Who is "he"? A. Louie Cacchioli.
I took a quick glance at the building and while I didn't see it falling, I saw a large section of it blasting out, which led me to believe it was just an explosion. I thought it was a secondary device, but I knew that we had to go.
an ambulance pulled up which was very clean, S0 I assumed that the vehicle had not been in the - what I thought was an explosion at the time, but was the first collapse.
It was weird how it started to come down. It looked like it was a timed explosion ...
It was weird how it started to come down. It looked like it was a timed explosion, but I guess it was just the floors starting to pancake one on top of the other.
... the lowest floor of fire in the south tower actually looked like someone had planted explosives around it because the whole bottom I could see -- I could see two sides of it and the other side -- it just looked like that floor blew out. I looked up and you could actually see everything blew out on the one floor. I thought, geez, this looks like an explosion up there, it blew out.
I looked up and you could actually see everything blew out on the one floor. I thought, geez, this looks like an explosion up there, it blew out. Then I guess in some sense of time we looked at it and realized, no, actually it just collapsed. That ís what blew out the windows, not that there was an explosion there but that windows blew out.