Not a death sentence,, kid,...... where have you been for the past year ? We've already lost over 800 troops ( I think thats the count ), and also some civilians

Well, considering the number of people who have fought in Iraq and civilian contractors is between 300,000 and 500,000 and about 850 have died, I'd say even fighting in Iraq is not tantamount to a death sentence.

Well, how many ATS points do I get if I end up predicting a 2005 draft?
Oh, wait, I won't be able to use them because I will have been shipped off to Iraq by then...

I think that the war in Iraq is already questionable enough by most of the country to where the government could not start a draft. I really don't think the war has enough public support to make them think they could get away with a draft right now...if they really do try to reinstate it, I hope there will be a lot of resistance to it, and I think there probably would be. Maybe it will be like the 60's all over again? Bush's vietnam...

I live and work in a military town where everywhere you look someone is in the military. Today at work I over heard two military spouses talking about the military reinstating the draft in 2005 and drafting 30,000 individuals.

I do not have any proof to back this up, I did try digging into some things, but it is not like they are going to post it to the AP wire. I was wondering if there are any active military members on ATS that have heard anything like this? Today was the first time I have ever heard a figure when mentioning the draft.

On a side note, these women had no reason to lie as they were talking amongst themselves in general conversation.

Wait...did this pass Congress and Senate already or is it just being put forward as an "option"?

-wD

Well, I already have a back up plan. I know some japanese, have been to Tokyo and found out I know enough to live in a hotel. And with the money exchange, I had enough to live like a god. So, if draft comes, and Bush is in power, Konnichi wa, ogenki desu ka?(good morning, or afternoon, depends on how you pronounce it, how are you?) In other words, Japan. But if Kerry or Nader is in power, then I would serve. Why? I do not believe in Bush and Co, they are corrupt sonsabitches and deserve to die. But Kerry or Nader do not have oil buddies pulling the strings like puppet masters and the war in Iraq would end soon. Is it sad I have everything planned out from how I would leave to how i would make money? I know a place or person who will buy whatever I own to every single last book, computer part, game, video, game system, clothing(not all, need some for Japan), and Warhammer game parts. I could easily come up with 10,000 if need be. And in Japan, well, I could live a few years without a job or having parents send me money with that kind of cash.

James the Lesser: that's called draft dodging unless you actually become a citizen of that country, and even then I don't know the fine points of the laws concerning the draft. But I will do the same no matter who is in office--emmigrate to Britain. I value my life over everything else. Especially with preemptive warfare, I see no compulsion to serve. I serve only myself.

I think, technically, when there is a draft in our country, all eligible citizens are supposed to return back to the United States...I actually have Irish citizenship, but I don't know if that would exempt me from the draft if I were to go over there...I think it's still dodging. Anyway, there's nothing wrong with dodging an illegal war.
If anyone here really thinks this war has such a high and important purpose for preserving our country, well, I guess you should be prepared to die for the people running the war, and for the reasons we started it in the first place. But I don't think this war has been worth one single american or iraqi life. It's complete bull#, and I'm not fighting for these power hungry war mongers if I'm drafted.

Originally posted by Shoktek
Well, how many ATS points do I get if I end up predicting a 2005 draft?

And, how many points do I get if I predict that the draft will only/b] be reinstated next year if Kerry-Edwards "run" the country

Served already and inactive time ended a Year ago now I am TO FAT and out of shape

In a way im glad that we dont get the option removed....

we serve queen and country off our own back...

but im the kind of person who needs a swift kick up the backside to get me into gear!!

bring it on

The draft has already been reinstated - indirectly through the use of stop-loss and recalling retirees. This is an election year for god's sake!

I'm all for the draft. Get some of these kids that think they know the world off their asses and show them what the world really is.

Originally posted by WeBDeviL
Wait...did this pass Congress and Senate already or is it just being put forward as an "option"?

-wD

No, it hasn't been passed yet.


It's not even being talked about now and won't be I'm sure until after the elections....

I had a draft in my last house, but I put a rolled up towel under the door and it stopped...oh sorry, wrong type of draft!

Actually I think a (right kind of) draft would help our military. I served 4 years in the US Air Force and it was all volunteer then. My last year active, I had the honor of rewriting our training material down to the 6th grade reading level because too many of the recruits were having trouble passing the course.

This was one of the more difficult career fields (99125) to get into at the time. According to folk lore, it was the longest school (full year of training) second only to Flight Training.

But even with those prequalifying, I had to simplify the training material.

With a draft of a better cross section of the population, I believe the average soldier will be better caliber than with only volunteers.




[edit on 7-7-2004 by leiphasw]

Originally posted by NothingMakesSense
James the Lesser: that's called draft dodging unless you actually become a citizen of that country, and even then I don't know the fine points of the laws concerning the draft. But I will do the same no matter who is in office--emmigrate to Britain. I value my life over everything else. Especially with preemptive warfare, I see no compulsion to serve. I serve only myself.

They that can give up essential liberty, to obtain a little temporary safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Benjamin Franklin

Leave now!

I was never in the military. I am 44 yrs. old. Nobody wants an old man like me to fight. Hell, my eyesight is bad, lower back pain, stiff knees, arthritis in the finger joints..........HOWEVER, if I were asked to take up arms in defense of my daughter, fiancee, family, hometown, and country, I would surely do so. There is no escaping the war we are currently in, and I am not so narrow minded as to restrict the meaning of this war to just Iraq, no matter who is in the oval office.

I will turn 27 before the possible draft would be re-instated and I'm sorta upset that I would be too old to be drafted to serve and defend my country.

Originally posted by smokenmirrors
There is no escaping the war we are currently in, and I am not so narrow minded as to restrict the meaning of this war to just Iraq, no matter who is in the oval office.

So very true. I've been trying to say this on ATS for weeks. Everyone thinks the war on terror is the war on iraq.. or that iraq had absolutly nothing to do with the war on terror.. iraq is just the tip of the iceberg, practice for the real war, if i dare say.. theres much worse to come

shrug