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reply posted on 24-1-2008 @ 05:56 AM by solidshot
Both engines of the British Airways jet that crash-landed at Heathrow Airport were still running when it came down, investigators have said.


US investigators have noted six previous engine failures in the same type of aircraft, it also emerged.


BBC

I was under the impression that this had been an fairly reliable aircraft? if it has now been released that it had suffered from engine problems in the past what else is there still to come out of the closet?


reply posted on 24-1-2008 @ 11:50 AM by Canada_EH
reply to post by wilyflier



Agreed wily and welcome as well.

The point about the co-pilot keeping control was something that i mentioned briefly earlier and the one point about fuel spillage I actually heard there was quite a lot not the little that you stated. Also its come to light that both engines where producing power but at a must smaller amount then required and did not respond as said before.


reply posted on 24-1-2008 @ 01:57 PM by Canada_EH
reply to post by johnlear



Well there was issues with the hydraulic system and its operation or at least appeared to be when the TSB examined the wreckage.

The shut-off valves associated with the reversible-motor pumps were found to have been closed at the time of impact when it would be expected that, given the configuration of the aircraft, at least one set of valves would have been open, allowing one of the reversible-motor pumps to operate. Although the reason for the valves being in the closed position could not be determined, it could be attributed to several scenarios associated with fire-related electrical anomalies.


www.tsb.gc.ca...

All primary and secondary flight control surfaces are hydraulically powered by two aircraft hydraulic systems.

Other than the slats, which are electrically controlled and hydraulically actuated, the flight control system is designed with a direct mechanical/hydraulic interface consisting of cables that run between the cockpit controls and the various hydraulic actuators that move the control surfaces. Therefore, with the exception of the slats, the movement of the control surfaces does not depend on the availability of electric power.


reply posted on 18-2-2008 @ 03:30 PM by Eagle1229
Reply 75 from BA 777 Off Runway At LHR - Part 9

Not sure if this is official as next interim release was due out this weekend

www.airliners.net...

Quoting AAIB Interim Report:

Detailed examination of both the left and right engine high pressure fuel pumps revealed signs of abnormal cavitation
on the pressure-side bearings and the outlet ports. This could be indicative of either a restriction in the fuel supply to the pumps or excessive aeration of the fuel. The manufacturer assessed both pumps as still being capable of delivering full fuel flow.


Quoting AAIB Interim Report:
Initial results confirm that the fuel conforms to Jet A-1 specifications and that there were no signs of contamination or unusual levels of water content.


Quoting AAIB Interim Report:

Some small items of debris were discovered in the following locations:

1. Right main tank – a red plastic sealant scraper approximately 10 cm x 3 cm under the suction inlet screen
2. Left main tank, water scavenge inlet - a piece of black plastic tape, approximately 5 cm square; a piece of brown paper of the same size and shape, and a piece of yellow plastic.
3. Right centre tank override pump – a small piece of fabric or paper found in the guillotine valve of the pump housing.
4. Left centre tank water scavenge jet pump – small circular disc, 6 mm in diameter, in the motive flow chamber.

The relevance of this debris is still being considered. Examination of the fuel surge tanks showed no signs of blockage of the vent scoops and flame arrestors. Neither pressure relief valve had operated; the relief valves were tested and found to be operate normally.


My Summary:
1. Both High pressure Fuel pumps (part of the engine) at some recent time in operation have sucked vapors

2. Both HP fuel pumps were still capable of full operation

3. No signs of fuel contamination by water or other contaminents

4. The right main tank main inlet had a possible blockage from a scraper
however the other potential blockages in the left main tank
deal with water scavenging not the main fuel inlet. Center tank
was supposed to be empty at this point.

No wonder its taking awhile to pinpoint the what happened prior to crashing and what transpired adter the crash., vis a vis fuel shutoff valves and transfer valves.

Almost brings directed energy EMI back in the picture affecting electronic
controls dealing with fuel

Apparantly it's the real deal
www.aaib.dft.gov.uk...



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