Hi Jack

My opinion is that you come here because you have something to say.

I am glad you see my point about individual family farmers economically competing against the feudalistic form of the plantations. Yes, they most certainly do not bring this up when they teach history. In my opinion, the purpose of our education systems is mainly to establish class barriers, especially our colleges and universities. If your family doesn't have the money, or isn't willing to devote a large enough portion of their earnings for a university degree, then you are essentially locked out of attaining certain levels of income, irregardless of your knowledge and ability. We need standardized testing for higher level degrees in my opinion. No matter what school you go to, you should have to pass a test or series of tests to be qualified for the higher degree. Foreign workers should have to pass the same tests. The state establishes standards, provides public access to learn the requirements on their own, so that people can home school, and in this manner people can prove they are qualified for certain positions, just as lawyers, doctors, and most trades these days, require testing.

A point I would like to bring up, is that almost immediately after the U.S. Civil War, arrived the dawn of the industrial era. Steam engines had been around for awhile, and in 1866, at the end of the Civil War, the first steel mill opened, and changed our world forever.

The thing about the industrial period that we are currently living in, is that creation of industry requires huge infusions of capital, and this is what plays into the hands of bankers and wealthy elites. The industrial age changed the dynamics of production, vastly expanding the economies of scale, and changed the work force from one of numerous independent businesses to one of mass scale employment by large industry.

The industrial age re-shaped society, government, and the market system, and is still re-shaping these institutions here and around the globe. Now we are entering the information age, which is just beginning to force its own influence on our society. With automation and the internet, I think it could be possible to see the return of the cottage industry. With automation, a small business can now mass produce goods, and with the world wide web, market those goods. The huge international corporations that have gained so much power since the beginning of the industrial age are not about to surrender their power to any new system that works towards de-centralization of industry, and that is where the next battles for control will take place.

Interesting Video, provides more information that I had learned so far.
One thing, I am a Mason, and I don't see this as being something that the Masons would back. More likely that links to Masonry are a deception. It is the one society that could work against these groups.

If I were to name a city that I feel is home to this movement, I would suspect Luxembourg more than any other city.

The American civil war;
1861: President Abraham Lincoln approaches the big banks in New York to try to obtain loans to support the ongoing American civil war. As these large banks were heavily under the influence of the Rothschilds, they offer him a deal they know he cannot accept, 24% to 36% interest on all moneys loaned. Lincoln is very angry about this high level of interest and so he prints his own debt free money and informs the public that this is now legal tender for both public and private debts.

1862: By April $449,338,902 worth of Lincoln’s debt free money has been printed and distributed. He states of this, “We gave the people of this republic the greatest blessing they ever had, their own paper money to pay their own debts.”
The Times of London publishes the following statement, "If that mischievous financial policy, which had its origin in the North American Republic, should become indurated down to a fixture, then that government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off debts and be without a debt. It will have all the money necessary to carry on its commerce. It will become prosperous beyond precedent in the history of civilized governments of the world. The brains and the wealth of all countries will go to North America. That government must be destroyed or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe."

1863: President Abraham Lincoln discovers the Tsar of Russia, Alexander II (1855 – 1881), was having problems with the Rothschilds as well as he was refusing their continual attempts to set up a central bank in Russia. The Tsar then gives President Lincoln some unexpected help.
The Tsar issued orders that if either England or France actively intervened in the American Civil War, and help the South, Russia would consider such action a declaration of war, and take the side of President Lincoln. To show that he wasn't messing about, he sent part of his Pacific Fleet to port in San Francisco and another part to New York.

1876: Otto von Bismarck states,
"The division of the United States into two federations of equal force was decided long before the civil war by ..(cut).. the Rothschilds. They foresaw the tremendous booty if they could substitute two feeble democracies, indebted to the financiers... Therefore they started their emissaries in order to exploit the question of slavery and thus dig an abyss between the two parts of the Republic."

Bank of America;
1811: The charter for the Rothschilds Bank of the United States runs out and Congress votes against its renewal. Nathan Mayer Rothschild is not amused and he states, "Either the application for renewal of the charter is granted, or the United States will find itself involved in a most disastrous war."
However the United States stands firm and the Charter is not renewed, which causes Nathan Mayer Rothschild to issue another threat, "Teach those impudent Americans a lesson. Bring them back to colonial status."

1812: Backed by Rothschild money, and Nathan Mayer Rothschild's orders, the British declare war on the United States. The Rothschilds plan was to cause the United States to build up such a debt in fighting this war that they would have to surrender to the Rothschilds and allow the charter for the Rothschild owned First Bank of the United States to be renewed.

1816: The American Congress passes a bill permitting yet another Rothschild dominated central bank, which gives the Rothschilds control of the American money supply again. This is called the Second Bank of the United States and is given a twenty year charter. The British war against the America therefore ends with the deaths of thousands of British and American soldiers, but the Rothschilds get their bank.

1832: President Andrew Jackson, runs the campaign for his second term in office under the slogan, "Jackson And No Bank!" This is in reference to his plan to take the control of the American money system to benefit the American people, not for the profiteering of the Rothschilds.

1833: President Andrew Jackson starts removing the government's deposits from the Rothschild controlled, Second Bank of the United States and instead deposits them into banks directed by democratic bankers.
This causes the Rothschilds to panic and so they do what they do best, contract the money supply causing a depression. President Jackson knows what they are up to and later states,
"You are a den of thieves vipers, and I intend to rout you out, and by the Eternal God, I will rout you out."

1835: On January 30, an assassin tries to shoot President Jackson, but miraculously both of the assassin's pistols misfired. President Jackson would later claim that he knew the Rothschilds were responsible. He is not the only one, the assassin, Richard Lawrence, who was found not guilty by reason of insanity, later bragged that powerful people in Europe had hired him and promised to protect him if he were caught.

1836: Following his years of fighting against the Rothschilds and their central bank in America, President Andrew Jackson finally succeeds, when the bank's charter is not renewed. It would not be until 1913 that the Rothschilds would be able to set up their third central bank in America, the Federal Reserve, and to ensure no mistakes are made, this time they will put one of their own bloodline, Jacob Schiff, in charge of the project.

I guess America never learn! Now today US threatens Iran and N Korea with war (axis of evil as someone called them) and that is no accident! These are two of only 7 nations wich don't have a Rothschild owned central bank. The Rothschilds still controls the wars, and media still do not write about them (they own some of the news agencies).

Originally posted by poet1b
The Civil War was a sad time for our country, and has left us divided as a nation in many ways, to this very day. I don't see either side as the bad guys, but I feel that the war was probably inevitable. How else could slavery have ended? In many ways I think the South was trapped by the institution of slavery, and it is difficult to imagine how things could have gone differently.

It is common knowledge that slavery was coming to an end, with the invention of Eli Whitney's cotton gin. If given time, the South would have had to convert to the cotton gin because it was more economically viable, i.e. they didn't have to pay for slaves or their food, housing, upkeep, etc. That is how slavery would have ended if not for the Civil War. This was taught in school when I was a student, 40 years ago. And Jackinthebox is right; the Civil War was fought for economic reasons. Southerners were fighting for the right to operate as they always had - independently without much govt interference. They didn't want to be part of a United States federal govt. they wanted their independence. In that way, it's just the same as the American Revolution; people fighting for their independence and the right to self-determination.
The North still teaches that the Civil War was about slavery; but it wasn't, not at all. The South is a very different place from the North and not very many Northerners understand the South, even if they have lived there. You really have to study the Southern psyche to fully understand it. To this day, Southerners are very independent and they value it greatly.