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Iran shows video of navy standoff

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posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 10:05 AM
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The voices of the iranian on this vide is different than in the US released video.
The Voice of the Irainian in the US released video is much much deeper.

Does it seem to you that these are the same people talking?




posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 10:35 AM
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Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by LwSiX
 


Why? The Iranian video has more continuous footage, the US video has some pan shots and is more edited. so, what makes the US version stronger than the Iranian version?

Me? I'm cracking up about speedboats with outboard motors being seen as a threat to US warships from 200 meters.


USS Cole comes to mind. That was practically a little dingy. This is why they are more cautious now.

I had a much more hair raising experience transiting the Straits of Hormuz onboard CV-64. I believe it was 1995. The Iranians were performing their largest naval exercise to date and it was called, "The Road to Jerusalem." At least the Iranians are consistent with their hatred for the Israelis. Anyway they had actual gun boats making runs at our carrier then they would turn around. I was standing on the port side of the flightdeck and watched as one of their diesel subs surfaced next to us. They also flew one of the P-3 Orions that we sold them before the radicals took over. The plane was so low my friend got a picture of the pilot as he was looking out the window while banking over our ship.

What people don't understand, even with counter measures just about any ship would be a sitting duck transiting through there. You can see land on both sides of you. The Iranians have the coast lined in missle batteries. A lot of it is the actual Hawk systems we sold them a long time ago. We would have at least got 2-4 birds in the air before anything would have hit our ship.

So I'm sure that the captains of these smaller ships in this instance know that if they fire on these boats that are acting aggressive, missles will be inbound immediately. I really think Iran is trying to force the USA into a confrontation. If this had happenned we would be in the middle of WW3 right now.

Remember that the leader of Iran truly believes they must suffer a loss for the 12th Imam to come and save them.

Doesn't matter what religion you are, no religous zealots should be allowed to govern a nation.


[edit on 10-1-2008 by on_yur_6]



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 11:20 AM
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Those balloon boats with suicidal Arabs are a threat like the Cole incident.

Not the same as the IRAQ missile that hit a ship way back when.
That didn't cause a war, it was Saddam getting to those slant drilling
oil wells. He did it in a nasty way. Remember all the oil well fires,
put out by liquid nitrogen.

Remember all the burnt up Arabs that flew into the world trade center
towers and pentagon and the Pennsylvania dirt.

Arabs can do it if they want to.
Or we can fake it if we want to.

Was this from Bush after getting an earful of Israeli gibberish about the
middle East situation.

Two war, two situations. Slant oil wells and WMDs.



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 11:45 AM
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the american one it sounds like someone trying to do a bad iranian Impression



reply to post by TeslaandLyne
 


just to correct you

Iranians arent Arabs
they are Persion big diffrence


on topic. so Iran shows a full length footage as the US has decided to go to warner and get one edited (the warner part is a joke)

now who do we trust


[edit on 10-1-2008 by bodrul]



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 11:57 AM
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I don't understand this part. The Iranians in the past claim they didn't know they are American warships, and this video shows the guy asking for Coalition warship to respond as he knows who he was dealing with.

Notice in this video they don't follow the ships, the ships are passing by.



The American response in the walkie talkie says "this is Coalition warship 73, roger over".



The sailor on in the warship says "this is Coalition warship, I am engaged in transit passage in accordance with international law."

Doesn't say Coaltition warship 73.

Need to fix second video since I realized it was both same videos. The second one is on the American warship.

[edit on 10-1-2008 by deltaboy]



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 12:00 PM
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With all propaganda aside this proves a few things.

1. There was an actual Iran and US incident between Iranian military speed boats and the destroyers. So those that quickly suggested it was all made-up by the US were wrong.

2. That the Iranians who were going around and after the larger ships, and so the Iranians instigated the whole situation.

With that said I would lean that the tapes from the US Navy were accurate in showing the event and the later tapes from Iran were designed only after the other videos came out.

The important point here is Iran is acknowledging that something happened by their very actions of putting out this video.



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 12:16 PM
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This video was probably filmed just before they started harassing the
U.S war ships in the hope that if any of their boats was fired on they could use this film to say ... well we were there peacefully and it was the big bad americans that just started firing at us for no reason .
Ask yourself why are the Iranian boats out there at all filming the U.S ships ... its was to setup the whole thing ...

Ackers....



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 02:08 PM
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The blue boat that appears in the American tape is also visibile in this one, and the USN vessels are also clearly the ships from the original reports, you can see the hull numbers.

I'm not sure what's going on here, as both videos appear genuine.

I am beginning to suspect that elements within the US .gov may be blowing the incident out of proportion for political reasons.

The neocon wing is not happy about the recent NIE: they wanted to see a showdown with Iran before Bush leaves office, and the NIE made that politically unlikely. But it's important to note that the original neocon plan for the Mideast, as expressed by PNAC involved Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran and Syria. As far as the neocons are concerned, their window of opportunity is closing, and the job is only half done.

Thus this could be an attempt to recover momentum (for war) lost when the NIE came out. Some careful framing and a bit of audio dubbing is all it takes to make a typical high-seas encounter seem like a threatening incident.



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 02:45 PM
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Originally posted by dbates
That's the exact problem. They should have identified themselves as they approached.

Not really, it's kinda hard to call out a ship's call sign & number
if you don't get close enough to see the number on the bow and
to see a flag of origin. They had to approach close enough to use
binoculars to find out who they were dealing with. Noticed the
Iranian commander used the boat's number in the radio
communication. Without getting close enough he could not
have communicated with #73. You have to realise the US Navy
has hardware where they can identify incoming boats at long range.
An Iranian patrol boat does not have all the nice expensive
identification hardware #73 has. The Iranians had to get close enough
by visual line of sight to do the same thing the US can do at long range.
The encounter on the Iranian side of the encounter is more realistic
to normal operating procedure for the technology that both sides
had at the time. I would believe the Iranian side before I would
believe the US Government's story. Does anybody remember the
Gulf of Tonkin incident which started the Vietnam conflict??
That was also staged as a torpedo attack against our navy which
later we found out to be a lie so we could enter the Vietnam war.
This sounds like a repeat of the Tonkin incident except this
time the smart Iranians chose to take a camera along so the US
don't cheat and lie their way into an invasion of Iran.

Shame on the US Gubment for lying once again.



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 02:51 PM
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Then they need laser eye procedure if they are trying to get identification from 100 yards along with binos to see the numbers.



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 02:53 PM
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Well, the Tonkin incident gets oversimplified.

As I understand it, there were actually two incidents, the first of which was quite real, the second of which, not so much...

But yes, typically the Iranians will approach closely enough to ID naval vessels passing through, and log their nationality and hull numbers. Pretty standard stuff really, and not dissimilar to how the US patrols international waters near it's own shores.

I am becoming very convinced now that this incident is being blown out of proportion for political reasons.


JSR

posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 02:58 PM
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Originally posted by SimonSays
Shame on the US Gubment for lying once again.


while your statement is very reasonable, i think it may be premature to cry "lie" when there is no proof that the iranian video is of the same taped ( albiet edited ) insident the US released.

IMO, the iranian video could have been a recorded communication of the privious day or two, while the very same group of US ships were in the area searching for a missing sailor.

there is no proof the two videos are of the same incident.



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 03:08 PM
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You can speculate all you want but......um...

...who would see their video, if it was at the bottom of the Strait of Hormuz?
?


They do have a vested interest in who sails by their territory, wouldn't you think?

Just because they aren't in debt to the international banking cartel shouldn't preclude their protecting their borders...



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 03:13 PM
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They were in an awful hurry if they were searching for a "missing sailor."

Don't you think search operations would involve going just a bit slower?


JSR

posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 03:19 PM
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Originally posted by goosdawg
Don't you think search operations would involve going just a bit slower?


not if the search was concluded (i still have not seen the result of the search ) and they were headed back.



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 03:19 PM
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** SIGH **
The U.S. should have grown some "big one's" and destroyed the boats, then all this anti-American propaganda regarding this footage would not be happening.



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 03:28 PM
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Originally posted by JSR
while your statement is very reasonable, i think it may be premature to cry "lie" when there is no proof that the iranian video is of the same taped ( albiet edited ) insident the US released.

IMO, the iranian video could have been a recorded communication of the privious day or two, while the very same group of US ships were in the area searching for a missing sailor.

there is no proof the two videos are of the same incident.

Well first of all I do believe it is of the same incident. What are the chances
of the same ship #73 and the same patrol boats encountering that close
to one another without either side mentioning it before now.
If this were 2 different incidents, our own government would have cried
foul on the first encounter with Iranian vessels not wait til the 2nd one
to blow-out this incident. So in my opinion, both videos are of the
same incident. Just very different stories. While it is true we cannot tell
what the Iranian patrol boats did BEFORE or AFTER that 5 minute clip.
However it is true and accurate to say that it is evident that the Iranian
commander did make radio contact with #73 to ascertain intentions
of #73. WHich is a complete dispute from what the US Gubment story did.
Which makes the lie count:

US: 1
Iran: 0

so with that basis, I'm more reluctant to believe the one that lied
in the first place as the US video I saw did not show or mention
that the Iranians made any kind of radio communications other
than to tell them they would blow up.

Secondly, the strait of Vermose is not a place where US War Ships
hang out other than passing thru. So to assume that the US Ship
was there on more than one day at one time is a complete fantasy.
As it takes 2-3 days for a ship to pass thru the strait to make port
and to come back thru the 2nd time.

Lastly, what would a US War Ship be doing looking for a missing sailor
in the waters off the Iranian coast?? Why just 1??? Was it because
of a Seal Team incursion that was trying to evade Iranian patrols??
If a whole ship was lost, I could understand. But why ONLY 1 sailor ??

I believe the US is hiding something. I think the US invaded the
Iranian waters with a SEAL Team and lost one member and is trying to
backtrack to find him. The Iranians knew they were there and let the US
know they knew.

There is more to this story that neither side is saying for the sake
of National Security.

The US doesn't want to say we had SEAL Teams in Iran and
Iran don't want to admit their security was lapse enough to let it happen.

Maybe that's the part we're not hearing about. If so, then by all means
it all makes a lil better sense.

But that's just speculation at this point



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 03:31 PM
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My first thought was that the U.S. had a valid reason for being there, that strait is a well used place for oil tankers, why is iran approaching their ships in international waters without having any excuse to be there? I believe the theory that they were seeing how close they could get without being fired upon, it would be essential information to carry out a massive suicide boat bomb. If they just winged it and tried to bomb the boat, but were shot first, evidence on the boat would prove they were from iran, and were attacking the ships. Why do the people in the boats take such a long time surveying all the ships with the camera? Probly so they could verify that thoes same boats were scheduled to make the run through that area.



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 03:42 PM
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news.bbc.co.uk...

Seems like the US video was indeed fake.


JSR

posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 03:44 PM
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Originally posted by SimonSays
Well first of all I do believe it is of the same incident. What are the chances
of the same ship #73 and the same patrol boats encountering that close
to one another without either side mentioning it before now.


very likely



On Friday, the U.S. Navy announced the same team of naval ships had been searching in the Arabian Sea for a sailor missing for a day from the Hopper. The outcome of the search was not immediately known Monday.

source: www.cnn.com...




Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammad-Ali Hosseini told Iran's IRNA news agency the incident was "quite normal, something that had already frequently happened" and ended once both sides were identified.

source: www.earthtimes.org...




Admiral Cosgriff said that, in the past, relations with the regular Iranian Navy had been courteous and professional, and that many interactions at sea with the Revolutionary Guards vessels have been normal.

source: www.nytimes.com...


and, I see no indication they were the same Iranian patrol boats. however, it was the same US ships.



WHich is a complete dispute from what the US Gubment story did.
Which makes the lie count:

US: 1
Iran: 0


still have not proven that.



Lastly, what would a US War Ship be doing looking for a missing sailor
in the waters off the Iranian coast?? Why just 1??? Was it because
of a Seal Team incursion that was trying to evade Iranian patrols??
If a whole ship was lost, I could understand. But why ONLY 1 sailor ??


it seems plausible that might be the case. however, both sides spy its a moot argument, and it still does not prove the US released tape was a lie.



There is more to this story that neither side is saying for the sake
of National Security.


I can certainly agree there.




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