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Iran shows video of navy standoff

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posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 04:12 AM
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Iran shows video of navy standoff


news.bbc.co.uk

Iranian state-run TV has broadcast video it says shows a controversial naval standoff between Revolutionary Guards patrols and US warships.
There is no sign of threatening behaviour by the Iranian boats, as alleged by US officials who said their actions were dangerous and provocative.

However, the four-minute clip does not appear to show the whole incident in the Strait of Hormuz on Sunday.

Iran accuses the US of faking video and audio evidence to support its claims.

"Coalition warship number 73 this is an Iranian patrol," the Iranian commander is heard to say in clear English in the footage, broadcast on Iran's English-language Press TV .

"This is coalition warship number 73. I am operating in international waters," comes the reply.
(visit the link for the full news article)




posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 04:12 AM
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Well i don't know quite what to make about all this, although the article says the entire incident wasnt recorded here, im still sticking to the US side of the story (by a thread).

EDIT: It's been pointed out me in this thread that the US has stated that the Iranians did not acknowledge their radio transmissions, and this video clearly shows the acknowledgments, if that is indeed true then the US has some explaining to do.

Here is the video





news.bbc.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 10-1-2008 by LwSiX]



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 04:31 AM
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WE supposidly the iranians didnt achnowledge any radio transmission
When in this new video its obvious that the Americans achnowledged them, adn they achnowledged back.


So, either America will turn around and say this is from ANOTHER incident prior, OR Iran has just proven the US to be lying about an incident, to further a drumroll for war!



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 04:39 AM
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Why? The Iranian video has more continuous footage, the US video has some pan shots and is more edited. so, what makes the US version stronger than the Iranian version?

Me? I'm cracking up about speedboats with outboard motors being seen as a threat to US warships from 200 meters.



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 04:43 AM
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Which country has invaded more countries over the past 100 years?

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posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 04:44 AM
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Yep your right, but hasn't that argument been shot down already? Remember the USS Cole?

[edit on 10-1-2008 by LwSiX]



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 04:45 AM
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Maybe it wasn't the only patrol boat with a camera and radio?



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 04:59 AM
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Thats a good point, it's possible that this was a prior "incident" as you have suggested, thats the only reason why i wouldn't call the Americans outright liars.



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 05:03 AM
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Kind of funny/odd that both sides have a camera recording each other?



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 06:10 AM
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Originally posted by _Phoenix_
Kind of funny/odd that both sides have a camera recording each other?

I was thinking the same thing. I hope this becomes the 'norm' now and we illl have footage from all sides after every incident. Al'Qaeda is publishing videos for cellphones now already... just wonderful...



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 06:25 AM
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Originally posted by _Phoenix_
Kind of funny/odd that both sides have a camera recording each other?




Not really mate, it's the 21st century, people record themselves doing all sorts of mundane nonsense. I'd be more puzzled if nobody recorded it.



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 06:41 AM
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Hard to say if this is from the same incident. I'm sure this story plays out several times a week in the Persian Gulf. Did you see the spray off the bow of those war ships? Those things are moving.

The captain of the U.S. war ship was probably thinking "If that guy asks for a radio check one more time, it's WWIII."




Iran accuses the US of faking video and audio evidence to support its claims.

If the U.S. is faking the video of the Iranian boats, perhaps Iran won't mind if the U.S. fakes an explosion from the war ship's guns. It's all pretend, and those speedboats at the bottom of the gulf aren't real.


[edit on 10-1-2008 by dbates]



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 08:18 AM
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I don’t see the point of this video. Basically it shows the Iranians trying to communicate with these ships while they are motoring around them, and I have to ask for what reason? What gives them the right to go around in International waters harassing other ships?

I will be the first to say I would be against any attack on Iran, and think the US policy is wrong, but the fact is our ships have been over there escorting merchant ships for decades now. There is no reason for these Iranians to be doing this.

Common sense tip #1: When at the zoo, don’t antagonize the lion by throwing pine cones and beer bottles at it, especially when the containment wall is too short.

Common sense tip #2: Same rule applies with large war ships in International waters.

Right or wrong, you don’t go antagonizing a war vessel. These guys are serious and they will use deadly force to protect themselves. This isn’t a movie and it’s not a video game. It isn’t about a bully picking on a little guy. This is real world, and these Iranians are not all there.



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 08:43 AM
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OMG!!
The captain of the Iranian Boghammer is a Reptilian!!


Seriously though, the BBC keeps updating their video, with a little more spin to it each time.

Thanks for the YouTube version, it appears to be the "raw" footage.

It appears from the way this video is edited, that the US ship was sounding it's alarm early in the event as the Iranian boats drew near, and then only later as the ships receded into the distance, did the Iranians make formal radio contact.

No wonder the US ships got their hackles up!

The Iranians may not have even realized how close their antics came to making them a smoking hole in the water.

But it's interesting to note that the US video does not contain the formal radio contact shown in the Iranian version.

Even if the videos from both sides are of different events, that would only serve to underscore the assertion by the Iranians that these types of events are commonplace.

In the future, it may behoove the Iranians to make with a little more radio and a little less showboating.





[edit on 10-1-2008 by goosdawg]



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 08:54 AM
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Originally posted by goosdawg
only later as the ships receded into the distance, did the Iranians make formal radio contact.


That's the exact problem. They should have identified themselves as they approached. The U.S. warship was sounding it's horn and flashing a light off the bridge at them on approach. The Iranians were silent at that time.


JSR

posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 09:28 AM
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somewhere I saw in an article, that the formal identification of the US ships were made prior to the incident. and, the US spokes hole said they didn't understand why the claim (at first ) was made that they didn't recognize the US ships.

Maybe the Iranian video is of the prior identification, and not the incident.
could be wrong though.



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 09:40 AM
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Originally posted by Hal9000
I don’t see the point of this video. Basically it shows the Iranians trying to communicate with these ships while they are motoring around them, and I have to ask for what reason? What gives them the right to go around in International waters harassing other ships?

I will be the first to say I would be against any attack on Iran, and think the US policy is wrong, but the fact is our ships have been over there escorting merchant ships for decades now. There is no reason for these Iranians to be doing this.

Common sense tip #1: When at the zoo, don’t antagonize the lion by throwing pine cones and beer bottles at it, especially when the containment wall is too short.

Common sense tip #2: Same rule applies with large war ships in International waters.

Right or wrong, you don’t go antagonizing a war vessel. These guys are serious and they will use deadly force to protect themselves. This isn’t a movie and it’s not a video game. It isn’t about a bully picking on a little guy. This is real world, and these Iranians are not all there.



Spot ON!!!

Nothing much more you can add to that, i 100% agree,


JSR

posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 09:47 AM
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i see no proof this video was of the paticular incident in question. it could very well be of a prior identification. that very same group of ships had been in the area for a couple of days.



On Friday, the U.S. Navy announced the same team of naval ships had been searching in the Arabian Sea for a sailor missing for a day from the Hopper. The outcome of the search was not immediately known Monday.

source: www.cnn.com...


after all, iran admits this kind of thing, which the iranian viedo shows, happens all the time.



Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammad-Ali Hosseini told Iran's IRNA news agency the incident was "quite normal, something that had already frequently happened" and ended once both sides were identified.

source: www.earthtimes.org...


even US admits a regular exchange of communication is normal



Admiral Cosgriff said that, in the past, relations with the regular Iranian Navy had been courteous and professional, and that many interactions at sea with the Revolutionary Guards vessels have been normal.

source: www.nytimes.com...


this whole thing stinks. someone is not telling the truth. i guess we will never know.



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 10:02 AM
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Originally posted by dbates



Iran accuses the US of faking video and audio evidence to support its claims.

If the U.S. is faking the video of the Iranian boats, perhaps Iran won't mind if the U.S. fakes an explosion from the war ship's guns. It's all pretend, and those speedboats at the bottom of the gulf aren't real.


Damn hell they would've! See what kind of noise they make about Bush's delusional monologues about Iranian threat. Even it's complete fantasy, they respond to it. I dunno why tho


Being serious, people with some influence can easily pribe some hothead Iranian or/and american captains to arrange a little show - nothing nasty, just some smallscale swashbucklin', so that our fair and balanced press can draw their own conclusions on it.

And if not so, these captains could've each acted on their own judgement - which again is based on bilateral propaganda.

[edit on 10-1-2008 by v01i0]



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 10:02 AM
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I think both sides are trying to see how much they can pester each other before this whole thing erupts. Neither side wants to be seen as antagonizing a war but would probably welcome it should the chance arise.


Ok, how can you not recognize a group of Battleships? Is it a law that anyone who sees a ship in International Waters has to hail it and make contact? It doesn't matter if Imperial Japan or Hitler was still in power, it's international waters and anyone can be there.

It's not like Iran hasn't seen the battleships in International Waters for the past 20 years or so, what's the problem now?



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