I agree Santa people have been dieing from 'consumption' since the medieval times. Long before the industrial revolution. I think most studies can confirm it is on the rise. It is a natural fact of living and dieing. Look at Lance Armstrong, one of finest physically fit specimens of our species. Or the gold medal sprinter (can't remember) his name, cancer. I don't think they trained with Marlboros and potato chips.

everything causes cancer these days. it's outta control. almost every type of food or too much thereof. the sun. working graveyard shifts and sleeping during the day. the list goes on and on.... and on. we're all gonna die someday, don't worry about how.

I'm not a doctor, however the title of my MEng research project (for an MEng in Cybernetics) is 'An interactive simulation and visualisation of cancer cells' which currently consists of computer models i have created to visualise the model various researchers have created and have found from the literature to closely model actual medical data. I am in the process of extending someof these beyond thirinitial parameter with the final goal of creating my own model that stands up to medical data that couldthen be used for further research purposes.

Yes, thats off topic, but it's better if I make it obvious that I have atleast some understanding of what we are talking about here.

Cancer cells themself are not contagious generally speaking, the causes of it however can be. Certainly their exists ascenario in which cancerous cells leave a host body and enter a new one via sexual activity, however the likelyness that it will set up shop and vascularise and metastasise in the new host seem astronomically small. They would likely have no better chance that any organ used in a transplant that then does not have any supporting imunosuprresents taken to make sure it doens;t get rejected.

Canceritself has an incredibly wide ranging number of causes. At a very base level it is down to cells screwing up in their reproduction process, due to a carcinogen, radiation,a virus or whatever. When they copy themselves, they create bad copies,these copies can then have acompetitive advantage overother cells, such as an increased ability to survive in lower ph, glucose or oxygen levels and an advantage in speed of reproduction. Cncer cells have also been shown to be able to ignore apoptosis (the programmed mechanism of cell death) and survuve in a quiescent state in these conditions,and then coming back to reproductive life when levels are better, however if they are quiescent too long they will die. When a cancer cell dies through any non-apoptotic method, it does not destroy its outer surface allowing it to be taken away,and it just stays there,leading to a build up of necrotic (dead) material, which can then stimulate the cancer to start the vascularisation process in which it tries to stimulate blood vessels to grow towards the cancer so that it can have it'sown personal supply ofhijacked nutrients, after that it can then shed cells into the blood stream to metastise elsewhere. Of interesting note, if your initial tumour is in your lung, and after metastisisation, a tumour developes in your kidney, that tumour, regardless of it being in the kidney, will be made up of lung cells.

Undoubtedly that was a bit too much offtopic info, but maybe it will help with the discussion,or at least peoples understanding just abit.

And I am more than happy to cite research papers fromanumber of sources to back up everything i've said.

Before my Dad passed last year from liver cancer, he told me that if you live long enough, something would kill you.

If this article is correct in its' assertions, so was my Dad.

Go figure.

Very well indeed possible Santa. The 50's my three sons era was usa hayday 'ceptin for the duck and cover cold war nuclear thingy. I do believe you are quite correct, mental wellness is a strong mitigator of physical ills.

[edit on 6-1-2008 by jpm1602]

Originally posted by SantaClaus
It has to do with the way we live our lives. Get off your butt, eat naturally, reduce stress, and avoid poisons.. Thats how to stop cancer dead in its tracks.. But that, sadly, will never happen and probably increase in coming years.

Living this way would mean a few things. You don't live in the civilized world, you don't work in the civilized world, you don't eat in the phony civilized world, and you don't breath the air, or drink the water. Your damned if you do and your damned if you don't.

I am a collage student in Oregon and by a strange coincidence my term paper was on cancer and it is true that there are viruses that cause cancer, but cancer is not a virus. Cancer is the result of the structure of the original cell changing. This can be done by certain chemicals, viruses, and exposures. There have been “cures” to cancer that where swept under the table. The cures I am talking of made it so your own immune system destroyed the cancer. So though it is true that certain viruses cause cancer, but those viruses happen to be like aids in the fact that the virus changes the structure of the cell it comes in contact with. To think of it, it may even be possible that aids is a mutation of cancer but instead of attacking common cells it attacks specifically the CD4 cells.

Microwaves are bad. There is a reason why the USSR did not allow its citizens microwaves. Im not saying thats the sole cause of this epidemic. I also question how accurate the "1 in 3" results are.

Alot goes into what causes cancer. The best advice i can give someone is do not eat fast food, eat natural foods, eat natural herbs and spices. What im about to say pretty much goes for any illness. The "vaccine" is all around you. If you give your body the right things, the better and more efficient the body runs. Which means, your body can better fight certain illnesses etc. Its common sense. A diabetic doesnt just become a diabetic for a reason. Sure it can run in the family. But there are cases where ppl become diabetic because of how poorly they take care of there body. Workout and eat HEALTHY, and you will live a long healthy life.

Originally posted by Realtruth

Originally posted by SantaClaus
It has to do with the way we live our lives. Get off your butt, eat naturally, reduce stress, and avoid poisons.. Thats how to stop cancer dead in its tracks.. But that, sadly, will never happen and probably increase in coming years.

Living this way would mean a few things. You don't live in the civilized world, you don't work in the civilized world, you don't eat in the phony civilized world, and you don't breath the air, or drink the water. Your damned if you do and your damned if you don't.

Ah, there in lies the answer, Civilization causes cancer. to be cancer free is to be civilization free ! live without cancer live without civilization. There are not many(any) reports of cancer in the wild.

Cancer is the civilized disease !

[edit on 7-1-2008 by esecallum]

Originally posted by Legalizer
as for woman, I can only suppose plenty of breast massage keeps them healthy,
if not at least they enjoy their breasts before they get shaved off.

Check yourself. That is in poor taste, crass and offensive!

esecallum

you never know if those doctors claim's are right. sometimes "both sides" try to fudge the numbers to make their case stronger.

i think the key is eating certain foods w/ lots of the cancer fighting agents BEFORE The cancer grows and spread.

and if i had a genetic disposition i would make sure i would give this a try. what's the worst that could happen from eating more of these foods, I get healthier?

i also believe the indians w/ the extremely low rates often ate the seeds of apples, peaches, cherry's and they all contain a high level of b-17. if i remember correctly apricot kernals contain the highest percentage, but i'm not sure if the correlation between very low levels in these cultures has been linked w/ any other factors as well.


[edit on 7-1-2008 by cpdaman]

Having gone through surgery, chemo and radiotheraphy, and having talked to several of my oncologists over the last seven years. There seems to be a variety of different views on the nature and causes of cancer, the theory that cancer can be viral can not be ruled out.

In respect to the treatment of various forms of cancer, there seems to be a very narrow spectrum of options. The options available have side effects which are not that pleasant, having experienced them first hand and survived them.

In respect to the increased rate of cancer, I can say that I have personally noticed this increase in the last decade as I have lost several friends to it, before and after having it myself.

During my last check up, I expressed concern over the possible effects of Tetramast - Cell Tower EMF and ELF emmissions and my oncologist said that the medical studies were inconclusive. It seems that even the experts in the field have a hard job making any concrete viewpoint on the potential causes of cancer.

All I can say is that by all means try to minimise you risk, unfortunately this is becoming more and more difficult as atmospheric pollution is getting worse, the nutritional value of the food we eat is decreasing, lifestyles are becoming more sedentary and stressful.

Note to OP, good thread.

Genetics most certainly plays a major role in Cancer. No person in either my Mothers or Fathers families have ever contracted any form of Cancer. My expectation is I will never suffer from that disease unless it is self inflicted by using tanning beds or failing to use sun blocker.

I think it should be noted that in spite of the belief many have that Medicine and the Pharmaceutical Companies are in fact causing disease our life expectancy and quality of our health at old ages keeps improving. It would seem this would be only possible if that theory were entirely wrong. Could it be that more people are getting Cancer simply because we are living far longer? I think that is probably true. We are currently exposed to far less dangerous chemicals than in previous generations. Especially at work. Even so the Cancer rates go up? It has got to be related to living longer.

As to your cited statistics regarding Chemo; please include a link to your proof? I know numerous people in my age group who have been in remission for many years due to Chemo. Far more than I know who died from Cancer. Based on that alone that number can't possibly be true. Your source of information must be bad. What is your source?