We had some surgeons who wanted to use a 'cell saver', a device that collects and centrifuges red blood cells to reinfuse into the patient (cutting down of need for transfusions). When it was found the surgery pt had an advanced form of prostate cancer we reminded them our leased cell saver was not an option as it would spread the cancer. I found it amazing a surgeon would not know that.

Originally posted by esecallum
chemotherapy which has a 7% overall success rate.

I thought that overall chemotherapy had a better success rate than that.

Anyways ... interesting OP post. I flagged the post and would like to hear more.

Originally posted by esecallum
SO IF ANIMALS CAN BE GIVEN CANCER WHY CAN'T HUMANS GET CANCER FROM ALL THAT PROMISCOUS ORAL/ANAL AND MOUTH TO MOUTH SEX?

There is nobody in science questioning where these things cause cancer.
It does not have to be promiscuity either.
Human Papiloma Virus causes cancers, its known, accepted.
Its transfered through human contact.

Not using ones testicles, cowpers, and prostate glands causes prostate inflammation and eventually cancer as well.

So the solution to fighting cancer is plenty of safe porn inspired masturbation and copious use of an herb which has, study after study, showed to decrease occurrence of cancer and shrink existing tumors.

For woman, I can only suppose plenty of breast massage keeps them healthy,
if not at least they enjoy their breasts before they get shaved off.

Masturbation prevents cancer?

Good one. The entire male population should be cancer free in that case.

Every living thing can get cancer -- from animals to plants to people. It's part of life. Some viruses may be A cause of some types of cancer, but it's much more complex than that, and I'd really need to see your proof of this -- like links to the papers by the people you mention that say that viruses are THE cause of cancer.

There's always more to the story than one thing. Chemical exposure, genetics, and many other things also help to cause cancer, or at least trigger it in people who are predisposed towards it. I just had some skin cancer removed from my scalp -- from getting sunburned when i was little. So far as I know, solar radiation isn't a virus.

Personal attacks are against the T&C. I could report you, but it's not worth it.

So let's get back to the discussion without referring to my intelligence or theoretical lack thereof, shall we?

Your post does not talk about any other sources of cancer, but claims that cancers are contagious, and that they're caused by microorganisms of various types.

That is what I was answering. No need to get personal. Let's see the evidence you speak of but don't list, rather choosing to go with the ad hominem attack.

Misdirection and obfuscation don't remove your burden of proof. Which still has not been met.

This is just conjecture on my part but I think this thread is headed
to more of an attack on promiscuous sex then cancer prevention, etiology or methods of spreading the disease.

However I would like to see some research results

And I'm always open and receptive to attacks on "big Pharma"

and btw, demeaning someone's intelligence is a Personal attack, no matter how you slice it.

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On my last physical my doctor warned my to wear a tshirt when swimming after looking at a 4 centimeter freckle on my back. I used to work landscaping summers in college. I've always tanned well, but the first few outings in the sun if I overdue it I get chills and nausea. She then proceeded to tell me that in Australia 1 in 3 are getting melanomas in their lifetime due the decreased amount of ozone in those parts. Don't know if she was scaring me or not. The fact is I remember growing up in the 60's and 70's watching and smelling the filth that spewed from ford and chevys stacks, long before scrubbers. Lead wasn't removed from petrol until (the early 80's, I think). Their is still so many pcb's and other contaminants in Lake Erie the health officials recommend eating only one or two meals of lakefish a week. Especially bottom feeders like catfish. No fish for pregnant women. My belief is the envioronment is still so toxic cancers are a given. Look at the epidemiological nightmare in Canada's 'love canal'.
Of course there are some cancers wrought by contagions, such as the HPV. Just my two cow cookies. Edit: sp
I have also heard some anecdotal evidence that people living within 10 miles or so of nuclear plants report a higher rate of cancers, leukemias, brain cancers. Also recently read the workers at nuclear plants (can't remember if it was Japan or Russia) do indeed experience higher levels of cancer and they are reconsidering there maximum exposure levels. Oh, and on a sidenote, MM's intellect could run rings about 98 percent of current members, including me.

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There are many claims when it comes to the causes and treatments of cancers. I think the history of sugeries in which people had holes cut in their heads to let the "demons" out was probably just a surgery to let the cancerous growth get out or grow out. I have been lead to believe from at least one dream that this might be possible. For all we know particles from space enter into our bodies and trigger these growths as well.

My father died just about a year ago and had used cell phones from the time they were first comercially available. So much speculation. Perhaps the current melting of the poles may also release a bacteria, parasites or molds etc. that gets into our food chain. If our vegetation is effected this way than there will be mass deaths.

Time will tell but we survived before somehow, possibly because our own immune systems found a way naturally. Perhaps the simple fact that we treat our water supplies greatly contributes to these cancer rates also?

Some people are taking algae treatments etc. which was probably in our water supplies in streams. Nature finds a way. These cancers may be cyclical due to our environments.

Aleon, as far as cutting into people to let the demons out. That may be true as far as I know. However, I heard a vast number of people, families etc. state that when surgery is performed if not successful often times leads to exponential growth of tumors. This is anecdotal and second person for the most part. Just my years of working at hospitals and speaking with families.

Originally posted by esecallum
Every year at least 560000 Americans are killed by cancer even after receiving treatment from the most expensive snake oil of chemotherapy which has a 7% overall success rate.

I too, would like to know where you get your numbers. As a cancer survivor, I owe my continued life to chemo and radiation. I have been cancer free for almost 14 years now even though my cancer had metastisized into my lymph nodes.

My family has a high cancer rate, which makes me believe that genetics are also involved in the causes of cancer.

Thanks for the clarification Badge. What you say is indeed true. Perhaps I oversimplified it. Still amazed the surgeons would not have realized it.

Yeah, I think this post is just over-exaggerating things we all already know about cancer. I do believe that there is a reason for the rise in cancer over the years, but it also relates to the fact that people were dying of cancer and we didn't know the cause because of our lack of medical knowledge.

It has to do with the way we live our lives. Get off your butt, eat naturally, reduce stress, and avoid poisons.. Thats how to stop cancer dead in its tracks.. But that, sadly, will never happen and probably increase in coming years.