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Perhaps some people may wish to familiarize themselves with the EC-130 cargo plane aka military psyops plane. The plane's tech performs, among other amazing feats, jamming of radar signals, intercepting telephone signals and altering voices to sound exactly like a person calling is actually the person the receiver of a call knows. It also capable of remote contol of UAVs.
Originally posted by OrionStars
reply to post by Boone 870
And how alligators would anyone guess reside in the Everglades? I do not recall Shanksville having any reports of being infested with alligators.
[edit on 28-12-2007 by OrionStars]
Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by apex
Well, it was going down, out of control
According to the flight director someone was hand flying the airplane. It was not out of control
I am not sure what you mean by 'reasonable altitude'. Are you a pilot?
so why could it not be going at 580 mph or so?
Those who believe a Boeing 757 oir 767 could attain a speed of 580 mph which 504 knots indicated at sea level don't know what they are talking about. 504 knots is 154 knots above Vmo.
First of all there is not enough power to exceed 400 knots. Any increase in speed requires enormous amounts of thrust. If the airplane did get to speeds over 400 knots its doubtful that it would be controllable.
And the bedrock was not far below the surface of the water, so it would probably have been a harder surface than the field UA93 hit.
This statement is untrue. It is without foundation and purports to claim relative hardness without substantive evidence.
You said Flight 93 was out of control. Now you say deliberately. Which is it?
Maybe in terms of cause of crash, but not in terms of debris afterwards.
You will have to clarify this statement. It is not understandable in its present form.
There are several reason why it could not be going 580 mph. The first is that the Vmo or Velocity maximum oerating for the Boeing 757 is 350 knots indicated. This is based on several factors, one of which is the ability of the windshield to survive the impact of a 4.2 pound bird fired at a 90 degree angle to the windlshield. Another reason is the 'upset' test where the airplane is pointed down 10 degrees for 20 seconds and then must recover without the use of spoilers. The airplane must then be controllable by use of normal controls only.
Yes, I can. However, you have to obtain a copy of Peter Tiradera's book in order to see that substantiation.
For anyone unaware of what the walls are surrounding a mine, it is bedrock. Unless, supports are placed to prevent the weight and mass of the mountain or hill from collapsing weaken bedrock walls, that weakened bedrock will collapse. They do not simply dig soft dirt out for mines shafts, and expect the walls to stay in place with wood beam supports every 8 - 10' or so. In fact, they normally have to blast out the rock to have a mine shaft to enter straight through or underground. The mine shafts are not sitting that close to soft soil.
So, the fact that FL93 disappeared into soft ground above an old mining shaft really isn't much different, is it?
Of course, as has been routinely ignored here post after post, the ground in Shanksville was over an abandoned mining shaft.
Anyone who has worked in such an environment knows that this causes the ground to become very unstable and limits what one can do as far as stabilizing heavy construction equipment and the like...
Originally posted by esdad71
Why can noone answer the 3 simple questions that I posted? How about we make it one?
WHAT CAUSED THE SCARRING AT THE SITE? If there was no plane, no passengers, etc, what the hell made that mark?