Aids Trials in Malawi using MMS - Results - Successful, page 2
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reply posted on 20-12-2007 @ 10:41 PM by Astyanax
What a washout

Originally posted by esecallum
"rigorously tested and FDA certified medicines"<---kill 240000 every year in the USA.

TRY TO REMEMBER THAT.

First, I have to be convinced that it is true.

You keep bringing up this figure but you never tell us where you found it. As I pointed out, you've posted a lot of porkies on this thread, so no-one's going to believe you without some pretty solid proof.

The Malawi Government tested it on 100 malaria victims it had a 100% success rate. This explained in the book with a certificate from the doctors and the government.

A certificate! How about publication of the trial results?

I don't know where you live, but it's a pretty safe bet that malaria isn't a public health problem there. You know nothing of the forces and resources deployed against it, or the eagerness and anxiety among what we might call the 'malaria community' - medical professionals, public-health authorities in affected countries, NGOs and donors - to defeat the disease. If a scientifically acceptable trial had been conducted and the results showed success, the buzz over MMS would be huge and the clamour for full testing and certification deafening.

No such trials have taken place, in Malawi or anywhere else. What really happened - I have not the slightest doubt - is that your snake-oil heroes went and bribed some local District Health Officer to feed a few malarial Malawians their miracle mouthwash. Maybe - Malawi isn't a rich country - it was a central government official. Such things happen, sad to say.

But not good enough for you due to racism against blacks.

First I'm a white racist, now I'm a yellow or brown racist. What colour are you?

I think you are waiting for white man in white coat to come and confirm it you... no wonder Eastern countries are always behind... relying forever on white man to save their skins... can't even read a 120 page book prefering to talk from ignorance...

Now who's being a racist?

Your science is hogwash. Your statistics are pulled out of thin air. Your claimed facts are obvious works of fiction. Your miracle mineral supplement is useless tap water.


reply posted on 21-12-2007 @ 04:36 AM by esecallum
reply to post by Astyanax


"First, I have to be convinced that it is true".
.

Actually no.

You are totally irrelevant.

The people who have used MMS are convinced it's true.


You are ignored for trolling and for being a Establishment Puppet.


reply posted on 24-12-2007 @ 08:15 AM by esecallum
reply to post by AGENT_T


This experiment gives you a clue as to how MMS in the body might work against AIDS.

Also remember lactic acid is a product by muscle exertion within the body but of course in this treatment we mix citrus acid with MMS at a ratio of 5 to 1,....WAIT 3 MINUTES AND THEN INGEST THUS RELEASEING 1 PPM OF CHLORINE DIOXIDE....within the body.

The below shows a possible mode of action against hiv:-
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Chlorine dioxide sterilization of red blood cells for transfusion, additional studies.

Rubinstein A, Chanh T, Rubinstein DB.
Int Conf AIDS. 1994 Aug 7-12; 10: 235 (abstract no. PB0953).

U.S.C. School of Medicine, Los Angeles.

The use of sodium chlorite + lactic acid to form the oxidizing agent chloride dioxide (ClO2) and chlorous acid has been used as a laboratory sterilant for decades using a stock solution (Alcide LD) (15% lactic acid and approximately 2.8% sodium chlorite) at dilutions of 1:100 and 1:150 using 5% dextrose as diluent and have exposed aliquots of washed RBC's spiked with HIV-1 for approximately 5 minutes to the sterilant; no detectible HIV-1 was assayed at 1:100; at 1:150 there was significant but incomplete inactivation.....

As you can see this was actually known in 1994..


gateway.nlm.nih.gov...

And even more clues as to how it might have worked in those Malawi trials.

www.patentstorm.us...



[edit on 24-12-2007 by esecallum]


reply posted on 24-12-2007 @ 08:30 AM by GUICE2
reply to post by Astyanax

Please dont take offense but in my opinion....

Its people like you that will forever ensure the enslavement of US citizens to unethical practices of greed and manipulation by the pharmaceutical companies.
So you would rather take a drug that has been "tested" but has so many side effects it can fit the entire back of a cereal box than take something natural? Again no offense....but your crazy. What more tests do you need other than the fact that 100% of people treated with this mineral (which by the way is only a mixture of stabalized oxygen with other natural ingredients) are eventually cured of their illness?


reply posted on 24-12-2007 @ 08:34 AM by GUICE2
reply to post by Astyanax


DO you work for a major pharmacuetical company or something? Or is it that you are so indoctrinated to beleive that noting can cure your headache and cough other than tylenol? SEriously man....wake up and smell the herbs. WE dont need medicine put together in a lab artificially....if the human race always needed chemical medicines then we would be here right? Did the ancient civilizations have aspirin? DId they have zoloft? Granted the life expectancy might have been shorter (that is just an assumption but might be your next point if i had to guess) but all that means is that the technology wasnt as advanced as it should have been to discover the healing possibilities of every herb and plant.


reply posted on 26-12-2007 @ 05:12 AM by esecallum
reply to post by GUICE2


I put Astyanax on ignore.He was just trolling.

Big pharma has spend a billion $ on buying Congresses 533 Senators.They are called donations but I call them bribes.


They have 2 lobbyists for each one.

You can google this easily.

1st position Big Pharma,
2nd Big Oil
3rd Big Energy

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[edit on 26-12-2007 by esecallum]


reply posted on 3-1-2008 @ 04:37 PM by beckybecky
reply to post by Beachcoma


MMS is 28% sodium chlorite mixed in distilled water.

The key component is chlorine dioxide.


Chlorine dioxide is only only released from sodium chlorite solution if a weak acid like acetic acid such as vinegar,lime juice or citric acid is added and this release is very slow and can take upto from 4 to 12 hours at a rate of 1ppm.

Chlorine dioxide is a very powerful pathogen killer.

One KEY reason chlorine dioxide may work in the body so well is it is VERY soluble in water and EVEN MORE in hydrocarbons and since blood is mostly water this may be the reason it works so well at killing pathogens as blood is everywhere in the body.

MMS is 28% sodium chlorite mixed in distilled water... only a few drops from 1 drop to 30 drops are used with 5 times that of citric acids drops being added to activate the release of chlorine dioxide.

The MMS has to be activated by mixing it with a weak acid like vinegar,lime or citric acid before ingestion and waiting at least 3 minutes..before diluting with distilled water or pure juice without vitamin c and then ingesting.

Here is a how to mix MMS with citric acid on youtube:-

www.youtube.com...


Once drunk the MMS goes thru the stomach into the blood stream and the chlorine dioxide continues to be released very slowly and kills pathogens for a long time and as it is so soluble it reaches deep into body tissues.

The MMS phenomenon is spreading across the net with thousands of individuals reporting largely favourable results on the health forums.

The best one is at:-

www.godlikeproductions.com...

with 26 pages worth.


Here is a site for chlorine dioxide:-

www.chlorine-dioxide.com...

I quote:-

"Chlorine dioxide is an extremely powerful oxidizing agent, microbiocide, viricide, bactericide, protocide and algicide. Unlike chlorine, chlorine dioxide is not a chlorinating agent and pure chlorine dioxide does not form THMs, it doesn’t chlorinate organics, and it doesn’t react with water to form free chlorine. .."


More information:-

en.wikipedia.org...




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reply posted on 4-1-2008 @ 07:18 PM by D_Mason
Originally posted by Astyanax
Originally posted by NGC2736
Have you found evidence that there is anything actively harmful in this supposed remedy?

It is actively harmful if people take it instead of real medicine and sicken and die from the disease they are suffering in consequence.

This is not a theoretical danger. People in the West have been known to take homeopathic and other quack 'remedies' for malaria before going on holiday in the tropics and catching the disease as a result.

As for AIDS, we have before us the terrifying example of South Africa to remind us what happens when HIV-positive people are encouraged to forgo their medication in favour of vitamin supplement and crackpot theories.

Lastly, I remind you that no authenticated clinical trials have been done in Malawi and reported in the scientific media; the title of the post is therefore a falsehood.

[edit on 13-12-2007 by Astyanax]


What about South Africa? Are you going to provide fabricated AIDS death statistics just like the Media does?

Of course people should to their own research, but for you to try and discourage people from investigating alternative therapies, especially in the case of immune deficiency is ridiculous, when any brand name drug cocktail will kill a totally healthy individual if taken every day.

If I was president of South Africa I two would reject the AZT, and Nevirapine medication being pumped into Africa. Those are two of the most if not the two most toxic medications known to man. Doctors in the U.S. stopped using AZT as monotherapy a long time ago, because they realized it was giving the patients immune deficiency instead of making them better.


reply posted on 5-1-2008 @ 07:06 AM by esecallum
reply to post by D_Mason


D-Mason ,Astyanax is just trolling and I put him on ignore a long time ago.
He is doing this to get a rise out of people.

In any case the most impressive research collection on chlorine dioxide was found yesterday by me while doing general research.

This is a long page but it is a huge collection of large numbers of studies done on chlorine dioxide all over the world including America.

It is called "On The Mechanisms Of Toxicity Of Chlorine Oxides Against Malarial Parasites - An Overview By Thomas Lee Hesselink, MD Copyright September 6, 2007 "

Here is the link:-

bioredox.mysite.com...


Here is the abstract:-

ABSTRACT:-
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"Sodium chlorite (NaClO2) can be acidified as a convenient method to produce chlorine dioxide (ClO2) which is a strong oxidant and a potent disinfectant. A protocol has been developed whereby a solution of these compounds can be taken orally. This procedure rapidly eliminates malaria and other infectious agents in only one dose. Chlorine dioxide (ClO2) is highly reactive with thiols, polyamines, purines, certain amino acids and iron, all of which are necessary for the growth and survival of pathogenic microbes. Properly dosed this new treatment is tolerable orally with only transient side effects. More research to better document efficacy in malaria and in other infections is urgently called for."

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I urge everyone who was doubting Jim Humble's Malaria treatment using MMS to read it slowly and read the various comments as to how MMS might work on the Malaria parasite.

From this you would be able to see how it might work on Aids and a broad range of other pathogens as well.

This is a very important page and I have already bookmarked it and saved it to my hard drive.

You need to scroll down to see the various comments by Dr Hesselink.

As Malara kills 6000 people a day I really do think there should be a separate thread regarding the use of MMS against Malaria which as Jim Humble explains in his free ebook was what lead to his discovery of this powerful pathogen killer.




[edit on 5-1-2008 by esecallum]


reply posted on 5-1-2008 @ 07:49 AM by esecallum
reply to post by forestlady


Glad to be of help.

I do urge you to read both of Jim Humble's ebooks which I can email to you if you wish.you can send me a u2u with the email address.

This would give you a broader picture which in conjunction with the last url would then give you more information and confidence.


reply posted on 9-6-2008 @ 12:58 PM by Long Lance
reply to post by Astyanax


www.injuryboard.com...

from the horse's mounth. they list them by category, summing them up is probably considered a felony under the patriot act

i remember an old ATS thread,

www.abovetopsecret.com...

i think you won't count this one as a reliable source though.



reply posted on 24-6-2008 @ 06:11 PM by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by Astyanax


From the Government of Malawi, in their own words:

www.aidsportal.org...

Find that and other articles on Malawi here:

www.aidsportal.org...

According to what I read, "Malawi has a policy for using generic drugs or parallel importing of drugs for HIV as opposed to developing them."

There is no mention of studies or trials with prisoners, or of the MMS miracle mineral.

All I did was what the MMS web page suggested; check with the Government of Malawi.

If they publish one falsehood in their ad, what can you assume about other claims. Please be aware.

Also, from this web page
www.boardcertified.com...

Thomas L. Hesselink, MD specializes in the area of General Practice.
This physician has unique training and experience in some or all of the following procedures. Acne, Bacterial Infections, Botox Injections, BOTOX®, Cellulite Treatment, Cold Sores, Collagen Injections, Contraception Options, Excessive Sweating, Herpes, Laser Hair Removal,
Lice, Lip Injections, Rosacea, Sexually Transmitted Diseases, Unwanted Facial or Body Hair, Warts


reply posted on 25-6-2008 @ 12:14 AM by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by Anonymous ATS


In response to the malaria cure claims, this is the actual report by George Mkondiwa, Secretary of Health, Malawi:

www.qaproject.org...

In it, there is surprisingly no mention of MMS or any clinical trials for that disease. Treatments for malaria were containment and know drug therapies.
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