posted on Nov, 24 2007 @ 11:33 AM
The pig had NO right to Taze the man ..he could have walked over LIKE A MAN and put a hand on his shoulder and turned him around and insisted that he
remain still; you do NOT Taze a man simply because he turns his back.
However, I must agree that the guy did himself no favors and acted irresponsible. He had a LEGAL obligation to follow the officers LEGAL orders..and
the legal order was to stop and place his hands behind his back. this is a CUSTODIAL ORDER, and one of only TWO types of orders that citizens are
legally required to obey. All other ' orders ' are bluff and lies and nonsense.
Custodial orders pertain to custody and officer safety. If a cop says ' put your hands up ' , or ' put your hands behind your back ', you MUST
obey, as the cop is obviously arresting you. If you do not comply with an order pertaining to custody, you are wrong. Argue whether or not the
custoidy is legal in court, not on the side of the road with some dumb cop that obviously is itching to use force against you. Most are. They love
those toys..know why? because they provide the same level of adrenalin as a gunshot, but cause much less hassles and paperwork and cause much less
scrutiny from above. This cop will no doubt get honored for his great work by his dept. and a civil suit is the only way to get justice, and I hope
The other legal order cops can give is an order pertaining to SAFETY, such as in traffic situations, establishing perimeters for searches, etc. If a
cop says ' get out of here ', and you linger, and there is an unsafe condition going on..you are wrong. Obey cop's when they order you to assume
any physical stance or position or put your hands where they say. Obey cop's when they direct you toward or away from an area while they have good
reason to do so. Any other orders may be ignored..and are illegal. If a cop tells you to empty your pockets prior to arrest, it is an illegal order.
He wants you to assume that he has the authority to order that, but he does not. He does NOT have the authority to order us to open our trunks, or
hand over our car keys upon demand,etc.
Only AFTER a legal arrest can the cop's take steps to search a persons pockets and veehicle, unless probable cause exists other wise. People should
NEVER EVER give consent for a search..ever!! this is like taking the Constitution and ripping out the 4th amendment and wiping your posterior with it
and throwing it away. Cop's who ASK us to give up our precious Rights are enemies of the people and disrespect the Constitution. MOST cop's do this
routinely, day in and day out. It is an effective ' fishing ' method for arrests..easy arrests where the people plead guilty and spare him from
perjuring himself. Arrests where the isiots that get intimidated give CONSENT for a search.
The LIES and BLUFFS are legion and well known: " If you don't let us do a quick search right here and now, I wil make you sit here and wait for a
dog and if the dog comes he will find what you have and then I will have no mercy and you WILL go to jail, where the worst sort of father raper's are
waiting with baited breath for your arrival. " Most people, especially the young, will be so intimidated ansd scared and confused that they cave in
and allow the search..even knowing that there is a half smoked J in the ashtray..praying that the cooperation will earn a pass.which it will NOT!! The
cop uses intimidation and lioes as a means of avoiding the legal requirements of probable cause: It makes it SO easy to bust people when all you have
to do is stop a hundred cars and ask for searches and get 99 to say OK..and then bust 25 of those for some petty crap..thats pretty easy pickings for
But in 20 out of the 25 cases, there would be no arrest and no charges at all had the citizen stood firm and looked the porker in his fat, red, evil
eyes and said " NO..hell NO!! No searches without a warrant!! Am I free to leave, Officer? No searches without a warrant. Am I free to leave?..on
Get the picture? If you refuse consent and keep looking at your watch and taking notes of all the info and asking to leave..the cop is going to know
that he has run up against some smart ass that will probably make life difficult for him if he violates any rights..so he backs off and either writes
a ticket or doesn't..but in most cases where a citizen takes a firm stand, the cop WILL back down. They KNOW how bad it looks in court with attorneys
asking them hard questions..they KNOW that if they cross the line any evidence will be thrown out anyway, which is a black mark on the system, a waste
of resources, and pisses off the DA every time.
Always refuse consent..obey all LEGAL orders, which are ONLY those which pertain to safety and custody , and NEVER give in to anything the cops say:
When cop's talk, they have shown that they are operating from a position of weakness: When they ACT, they are operating from a position of strength.
Unless and until they ACT, all the rest is bluff and lies and nonsense and can be ignored. If some flat foot asks you " Where are you headed today
?" , it is NOT because he cares about you and your trip: he is conditioning you to answer questions and follow his lead.
If you IGNORE all personal questions and bring him to bear on the issue at hand, YOU have taken over the position of strrength, see? Just say" What
do you want?", and let him tell you. Do the legally required minimum and never answer any questions. If he asks you why you are not answering him,
just say " There is no law that requires me to answer any personal questions, my attorney told me so". That lets him know that: You have an
attorney, and also that you are aware of your rights. A cop is MUCH less likely to hassle you after that. they have so many easy pickings out there
that they can afford to let the wise guys alone.
This cop in Utah was not man enough to make an arrest without disabling the man..and this is a trend: Cops today want to totally dominate the scene
and the people. Cop's today are AFRAID of physical contact...it used to be that cops actually enjoyed a fight now and then to get the blood stirred
up and prove to themselves that they were really able to handle themselves..today we have a bunch of military minded cops who see KILL or DON'T KILL
as the only options any more..God help us when the Vet's coming back from Iraq get jobs as cops and treat us like they do the Iraquis..then we will
see some really sick stuff on TV!!