Why do people think it's o.k. to force their moralities/beliefs on other people?, page 1
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reply posted on 11-11-2007 @ 08:34 PM by mentalempire
reply to post by bigbert81



Well, adultery breaks up families, prostitution often employs sex slaves, gambling attracts organized crime, though, I will admit a law against buying booze on Sunday is just silly. But except for that last one, there are usually legitimate reasons for so-called "morality" laws that you may not have thought of.


reply posted on 11-11-2007 @ 08:52 PM by bigbert81
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In regards to prostitution, sex slaves are part of an underground world. If they made it legal and regulated it, we would see a DECREASE in bad sex trade practices.

And as far as gambling, organized crime goes after things that ARE illegal, not usually things that aren't. Making things like this illegal is what draws organized crime. Remember Prohibition?

Think about this, is it right to force these morality laws on people. I agree that stuff like adultery is bad, but people should have the ability to live their lives how they want. Isn't that the definition of freedom?

[edit on 11/11/2007 by bigbert81]


reply posted on 11-11-2007 @ 09:02 PM by Nohup
Originally posted by bigbert81
Does anyone else have any opinions on this matter?


I'm torn in two directions regarding this. It was once suggested to me that as people get older they grow more tolerant of other people's beliefs. I have not personally found that to be the case. The older I get the more tired I get of the same old stupidity being foisted upon me by people who are obviously ignorant. I get more irritated, and have much less patience with them to the point of trying to end their pointless conversation with me as quickly as possible by either saying something very insulting, or just refusing to continue the discussion. Because the discussion is essentially pointless because it always ends the same stupid way, with nobody gaining anymore fresh information or insight. That's one way I think about it.

The other way I think about it is that I have a kind of sad sympathy for these poor people, and want to cut them some slack. Like everybody, these people are trying to make sense out of this existence, and they feel like they really have an answer. It gives them a kind of thrill to have something positive to hold onto, and they're eager to share it with other people. They don't understand that they're ignorant, and caught up on the inside a huge mind game. They have no sense of perspective, and can't step back and objectively look at what they're doing and saying. They're caught up in it. They can't be convinced of it with logic or reason, because the feeling they have is stronger than anything you could say. They're like crazy people who have a completely different reality in their heads and there's nothing you can say to bring them out of it, and they don't want to be brought out of it. They prefer their craziness to your version of reality.

At that point, all I can do is shake my head and feel sorry for them, and try not to interact with them. They, on the other hand, are happy in their delusions, and feel compelled to "help" me see the light.

The obvious question that arises is that if these people are so happy, and I'm arguably less so, who has the better deal in life? The old Matrix question. If a delusion or illusion can bring more happiness to you in a life that (in my opinion) is full of horror, isn't it better to have that delusion than not? I don't know the answer to that. Just don't know.


reply posted on 11-11-2007 @ 09:06 PM by mentalempire
reply to post by bigbert81



If your family was ripped apart by a divorce caused by adultery, maybe you would think differently. Also, gambling was legal in Vegas and that didn't stop it from becoming a hotbed of Mob activity.



reply posted on 11-11-2007 @ 09:09 PM by mentalempire
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Or, on the other hand, sexual slavery may INCREASE because brothels would have increased legitimacy. The default assumption might be that they are doing things above-board.


reply posted on 11-11-2007 @ 09:11 PM by bigbert81
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And isn't it sad that the people who you are primarily speaking of are the ones who are in positions of power? Here is a quick example of a conversation I had with a D.A. earlier this week:

Me: I never committed the crime you're accusing me of and the charge was dropped.

D.A.: You're still going to be treated as Guilty.

Ignorance is ruling the world.


reply posted on 11-11-2007 @ 09:15 PM by mentalempire
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That does sound like an awful way for the DA to act, but we really need more context there.


reply posted on 11-11-2007 @ 09:20 PM by bigbert81
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No, I would not feel differently. Why on Earth would I? You think it would matter if adultery was legal or not? C'mon man and think!

Keeping things illegal, like prostitution, provides a REASON to make things underground. If you can't understand this, then I'm wasting my time.

Also, check this out:


Organized crime is as old as crime itself. Today, as in the past, gangs are one of the most visible forms of organized crime. The mob associated with Las Vegas grew out of the “Great Migration” through Ellis Island between 1880 and 1924. Southern and eastern Europeans—Italians and Slavic Jews—moved mostly into eastern cities, but also inland to Midwestern cities and occasionally to the West.

These immigrants and their next generation faced the same problem previous and future immigrants faced. Discrimination often deprived them of respectable, well-paying jobs. So, they could choose between low-paying jobs that few wanted and high-paying jobs that few wanted. Accordingly, some turned to illegal activities: gambling, white slavery (prostitution), protection, and, during Prohibition (1920-1933), bootlegging.

from: www.onlinenevada.org...

In this, you'll see that organized crime was drawn to ILLEGAL gambling out of predjudice, and THEN decided to move into Vegas later on, after they had experience with it. Hmmm, makes me wonder if gambling wasn't illegal, if that would have been part of their illegal activities (and then grew and progressed to Vegas).


reply posted on 11-11-2007 @ 09:24 PM by mentalempire
reply to post by bigbert81



What YOU'RE failing to understand is that laws ARE actually an encouragement to better behavior. Why do you think just about EVERYONE wears seatbelts these days?


reply posted on 11-11-2007 @ 09:28 PM by EvilBat
reply to post by mentalempire



I would say saving lives
but the guys I work with do it so they don't get a ticket



reply posted on 11-11-2007 @ 09:29 PM by bigbert81
Originally posted by mentalempire
reply to
post by bigbert81



What YOU'RE failing to understand is that laws ARE actually an encouragement to better behavior. Why do you think just about EVERYONE wears seatbelts these days?


Because it's safer. I think it's very rare to find someone who will say that they wear a seatbelt PURELY because it's the law.

Why are you so anti-freedom? People should have the right to make their own decisions without having to abide by someone else's beliefs.

You are not giving people the credibility to make their OWN decisions. It should not be illegal if it doesn't infringe on other people's rights.

[edit on 11/11/2007 by bigbert81]


reply posted on 11-11-2007 @ 09:30 PM by mentalempire
reply to post by bigbert81



You are dangerously close to outright trolling. I am not going to explain myself to you again.


reply posted on 11-11-2007 @ 09:33 PM by bigbert81
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WTF are you talking about? I started this thread trying to find some people's answers, I make a legitimate point, and now I'm trolling?!

Get out of here and don't come back if you can't make a reasonable statement!
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