Why do people think it's o.k. to force their moralities/beliefs on other people?, page 3

reply to post by keltdruid65

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By both I guess. It was in regards to a LEGAL object I had which was falsely accused of being involved in a crime being destroyed by the state. When I tried to fight it, this is what I was told by the D.A.

reply to post by Xtrozero

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Prostitution is not a victimless crime? Please do share why that is. 2 consenting adults have sex in exchange for some money. Yep, sounds pretty dreadful.

Why is alchohol legal, and pot not? You bring up theoretical problems with pot, the same that's with alchohol. What would be so different if we made pot legal?

reply to post by bigbert81

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Pot should be totally legal. The only actual reason it's not is due to corrupt government and big business. Dupont (with deeeeeep pockets) lobbied lawmakers to make hemp Illegal. There are many medicinal uses, and if people could smoke a natural plant instead of having a toxic poison like alcohol legal, this country would be a much better place. How many people do you know killed or injured in a stoned driving accident?

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reply to post by bigbert81

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Sorry got caught up on the pot thing. Prostitution and gambling should be legal. Well, gambling is legal by me, as long as it's on the water, and even though prostitution is not legal, it's pretty damn close. You can look up any escort service in the phone book, or on Craigslist, and find a "date" for the night. They just say whatever the girl does with you personally is not included in the fee. There's loopholes for everything. They make the laws like this to keep the whiny yuppy soccer mom's happy, but unless you're driving around the block picking up crack whores like an idiot, you're not going to get caught. You get a smile, some girl pays her rent, everyone's happy.

Most of the laws can and are broken all the time. As long as you're not harming or pissing anyone off, chances are you're not going to get caught. If you know your neighbor is a pothead, you'll probably make jokes about them, and it's no big deal. But if that neighbor approaches your kid and tries to get them to do it, of course you're going to get angry and call the cops. The laws are made for people that are stupid enough to have to follow them.

Laws are just like speed limits. Just because a few morons don't have enough skill to drive at high rates of speed, we limit everyone to 55 or 65. I know that I would have no problem driving 100 on the highway. But the moron next to me can barely stay in their lane going 55. I keep my eyes open and speed all I want. How many accidents do I get into None. Same thing with drugs, gambling and prostitution. Some people just don't have the brain power to moderate. Gambling was never my thing, and I've never payed for sex.

Screw the law. If I want to use a plant for my enjoyment they'll have to taser it out of my hand. 420

reply to post by bigbert81

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You made the claim about the cars not me, it is your burden therefore to provide the evidence backing your claim. If one cannot provide proof of a claim it is merely personal opinion and hearsay.

Now back to the prostitution ordeal, I was quite aware of the fact about legal prostitution. But that does not push away the facts that there is more involvement around that by the government. Who else is going to control the age and legalization issue I mentioned earlier? The owner? Doubtful as you can see that many people will take advantage of any situation given to them this would include bringing in underage and illegal persons. There are illegal’s who pay taxes on the money they make you realize this don’t you? All they need is a fake SS number and they can get a job. Even so who is going to check that everyone working there is being reported? The government and that means MORE my tax dollars are paying for some person to have sex. I’m already paying enough for that when it comes to the moms who want to do nothing but spit out offspring and not care for them and for health care because people feel a need to jump from one partner to another and spread STDs.

Even if it is just a half hour random check by an on duty officer I would rather see the officer out spending that time catching real criminals than worrying about checking some place because a guy cannot get sex for free. Free sex is extremely easy to find why on earth pay for it, you can do enough of that when you’re dating or married and still be safer.

Not that I care that someone wants to have sex and pay for it, but when it does affect me and my money then I have a problem with it. When the fact that someone wants to pay for sex and it affects someone who is a minor I have a problem with that also. I have been a kid, teen, and young adult I also have children. I know for a fact that kids do things and do not think of long term consequences there for they need protection from others and themselves. Look how many teens die each year in car accidents, this is because they are not looking at long term effects and thinking only in the short term they think they can handle anything that comes their way. Many adults in the U.S. cannot even think in the long term that’s why so many are living on money they do not have and drowning in credit debt.

It is not so much a thing of pushing beliefs off on others (which again I say is not possible but rather you can try a push people to abide by your will), but it is rather a thing of using common sense. Again many seem to have a lack of ability to do this, addictions in the U.S. are rampant and destroy families many times my tax dollars go to help these families in many different ways. People are becoming increasingly more obese because they spend more time watching TV or sitting in front of a PC than burning calories and eating the right foods. Now they are passing laws (NY banned trans fat) because people are too stupid to control themselves plain and simple.

If this was a perfect world and everyone could keep their actions from affecting me that would be great do whatever, but sadly we live in a world of idiots who cannot even take care of themselves so we must all join in and babysit one another.
Raist

reply to post by Raist

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So what it sounds like, is because YOU don't care for it, and YOU can go out and do things how you like and feel comfortable with, then everyone else has to follow with you guidelines? If it works for you, it by-God works for EVERYONE. Because everyone in the world has lived the same life as you apparently.

Wake up to how different people are, and how different people's views are. Just because it works for YOU, doesn't mean it works for everyone.

Also, perhaps you missed the whole 'Blue Law' post. JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T HEARD OF IT DOESN'T MAKE IT OPINION AND HEARSAY. I suggest that if you see something you are not familiar with, you check it out real quick instead of accusing me of hearsay because it doesn't happen where you live. Sheesh!

Also, check the facts on legalized prostitution before you post again.

[edit on 11/13/2007 by bigbert81]

reply to post by Lokey13

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Only problem with that last bit is what about those that are elderly that have trouble affording their health care that worked hard their whole life and did not take drugs? Should they also be told to bad if you cannot pay you just suffer and die? How do we distinguish on the issue are all told too bad or do we help some? What about the child born a drug addict who has never chosen to do drugs are we going to tell the baby too bad you cannot pay it is your problem?

Taking drugs can affect others in many ways. Should we allow people to do drugs but only in a certain place until they are no longer high so that they do not get behind the wheel or go to work or have sex and get pregnant? Should we force an abortion on a woman who uses drugs? What if she would have normally had the child and that child does something great (rare yes but has happened). By forcing such things upon those people you then do just what this thread is about to start with. The world is full of never ending choices and rules in life and it always will be, what do you expect from a world that has such a great diversity of people and ideas?

I have noticed a great deal of selfishness in people throughout the world things are fine as long as it is their way but anything they do not agree with is wrong. I would bet money that everyone posting in this thread wants something to be illegal that someone else is fine with. Most people fail to see how each and every action they do has potential to and often does affect someone somewhere in a negative way. Simply driving my car pollutes the air and means greater risk of war in an oil rich country. By owning a computer I have also added to the risk of war in an oil rich country (plastic on the PC is made of petroleum), I have caused company to put together and create things that are toxic to the environment around me. The list could go on and on with things that can and will affect negatively. Our choices today will affect our children’s lives and our grandchildren’s lives in the future.

Also corruption and illegal activities do follow money this is one reason many places are opposed to gambling. This is obvious in the areas around here that allowed river boats in their area. The areas are not getting better or larger as promised but becoming dirtier and more stressed with possible crime. One area of the city may prosper while the other dies nothing is gained with many possible losses.

Would it not be better for the U.S. to concentrate on education than entertainment? The way things are moving and this thread is more evidence that people would rather be entertained than educated.

Raist

reply to post by Raist

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Yes, I could literally take just about anything, and find a far out negative to it. That doesn't mean it should be illegal. In that case, we wouldn't be able to do things like eat red meat.

Check the sig I have below. A famous quote by Benjamin Franklin. I'd take his word over yours.

reply to post by bigbert81

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I don't know where you're from, but Benjamin Franklin didn't mean the freedom for prostitution or drugs at the time he said that.

Jesus Will come and give us ALL Moral Absolutes, eventually.

Better to be reborn as a new man, now, by faith in Jesus Christ-Jeshua he Messiach.

He can give you the love of your life and joy without drugs.

reply to post by Xtrozero

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Why don't I hear you making the same arguments about alchohol. No wait, because pot is illegal, therefore MUST be worse, right?

Also, you say that it's a small percentage of brothels? How about 100% of them in the U.S. Doesn't sound like a small exception anymore does it?

All women in brothels DO have a choice to be there. In fact the girls that work there love it. They make BANK. Do you honestly think that if prostitution was legal that MORE women would be FORCED to do it? Why do you think they have a pimp forcing them to do it? Could it be because it's illegal, and therefore underground? If prostitution was legal, women would go to brothels, not pimps.

reply to post by bigbert81

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Never did I say because I felt. I said because I have to pay for it.
Also you made the claim about the cars it you’re your responsibility to provide evidence that is what debate is about. If you are aiming to persuade people to your ideas then you must provide evidence to go along with any claims you make. Just reading it on ATS does not make it so. You never posted about a Blue Law and it was never directly linked to car sales in any of your posts. If I missed it in another post I am sorry, but you still were making a claim and not backing that claim with evidence.

Again on legalized prostitution someone has to be monitoring the whole thing the government is who is doing that. How does the government pay for this? Taxes. The same way they charge taxes for everything if it is taxed your tax dollars pay for the legislation of that item whether it is a chair or sex. Your money is going to pay to make sure that there is nothing in that chair that will harm you; your money goes to pay to make sure there are no illegal or underage prostitutes working at the brothel.
If my taxes are going to make sure some body can get sex when they choose then yes I have a problem with that.

I would rather direct my taxes to education and health care. Unfortunately much of my taxes already goes to allow people to have sex and do drugs and whatever else they please such as the murder of innocent women and children in a country with a great deal of oil. I cannot do anything about that but I would not like to add more to that willingly.

Your anger toward me and assumptions about me are misdirected and off track. I never said because I did not agree with it anywhere in my posts in fact I said just the opposite. To restate what I once said as soon as it stops affecting me through cost or some other way do whatever you want to do, but as long as I must pay for it and it continues to affect me I am opposed to it. I don’t care if you want to pay for sex all day long; pay until you go broke for all I care. But if I have to help maintain a place for you to have sex then yes I have a problem with that. Is it slightly more clear this time? If not go get someone to read it for you. I want to spend my money I worked for on my family not to maintain to legality of a place to get sex.

Raist

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