Jeez, go to work for 8 hours and look what happens.
Thanks for all the great reply's, looks like there is a lot of differing opinions.
I'll try to reply to everyones posts, if i dont it doesnt mean i havent read it or that i'm ignoring it, it just means that i dont have anything to
add to what you've already posted or i think that i've covered it in a previous post.
originally posted by UK Wizard On a whole though I think I'd agree with the theory they were simply designed for a particular
environment, they were fantastic at what they did but when change came they simply weren't able to adapt very well and thus homo-sapian's the far
more adaptable species came to true prominence.
They survived through at least 2 ice ages and other cold phases, and flourished in the warmer phases in between, moving north when the ice retreated
and then moving south again during cold snaps. Though it seems that after each ice age their population density decreased, so that could have played a
part in their downfall.
originally posted by Cyber_Wasp Humans probably killed them off because they looked different and did not want them to compete for food
This was the real first world war.
Thats part of the problem that arose from early descriptions of how Neandertals would have appeared as slouching, hairy, knuckle scraping apes. That
is not the case. Yes they were shorter, broader built physically with the sloping brow but they were not all that dissimilar in appearance to Homo
Sapiens at that time.
Washington State University
The painting at left illustrates popular prejudices and misconceptions about early humans given expression in the work of French paleontologist
Marcellin Boule, who based his 1911 study of the Neanderthals on an individual who, as it turned out, was badly deformed by arthritis. Note the
bent-kneed stance suggesting an imperfect or only partly erect posture, the head set forward on the spine much like that of a chimp or gorilla, and
the clumsy, extremely hairy bodies.
originally posted by amitheone They can't interbreed with homo sapiens because they don't belong to the human race.
Some researchers believe they were able to interbreed. David Serre of the Max Planck Institute of Evolutionary Anthropology (EVA) says
"when there had been a gene flow, then it was presumably small. We can by no means rule out, however, that Neanderthals contributed to the
genotype of modern man."
originally posted by longbow I think it is possible that they were wiped out by disease. The contacts of races that lived in isolation
for a long time - and modern humans came from Africa while neanderthals lived in Europe - historically often resulted in epidemies. For example the
Indians in America - vast majority of them was not killed by whites directly, but by diseases to which they were not immune.
I hadn't really considered that, it makes sense, thanks. I'll 'dig' around (pun intended) to see if i can find any research on this.
originally posted by I wonder if the dna got thinned out over the generatons to the point now where you can't even find it, the
neanderthal dna within a human.
There is some thought that DNA drift might account for there not being much evidence to prove this but i think that it is a good point.
originally posted by Byrd Yes to the first, no to the second.
Well i knew you'd pick me up on the second part.
I was intimating that academia tends to at times cover up earlier errors in research. Not a shot
at all academics by any means.
I do agree with your points regarding the first question posed. It, along with the mistaken view of Neanderthals from Marcellin Boule's study due to
the use of a poor specimen engendered a prejudiced concept of what a Neanderthal was.
originally posted by pavil and hunting style and failure to adapt that hunting style to the new conditions on the ground that did the
race in most probably.
I do agree with most of your post but i wouldn't discount their ability to adapt to different hunting styles, particularly if they did live in close
contact with modern man, they would have learnt from us.
Neandertals Hunted as Well as Humans, Study Says
"These data are joining an increasing body of evidence that Neanderthal extinction was not due to any lack of ability to hunt," said John Shea,
an archaeologist at Stony Brook University on Long Island, New York.
"There was no difference between what Neanderthals and modern humans could do [as hunters]," said Shea, who was not involved in the study. "Both of
them were wolves with knives."
originally posted by RadekusBecause Homo Sapiens killed them all off, humans are to egoistic to realize their bloodthirstiness and try
to find other reasons for the downfall of the Neanderthal man, but the truth shall set us free, won't it?
No offense but i think this is probably the least likely scenario. Most of the study's ive read the past few days suggest that Neanderthals and Homo
Sapiens probably co existed without much conflict and may have in fact shared knowledge.
originally posted by XtrozeroUnless I missed reading it in other posts the reason for their extinction was that they were not nomadic as
Homo Sapiens were. At one point in our history we almost became extinct too with fewer than 10,000 of us on the planet, but we migrated south with the
herds from the encroaching ice age and they didn’t.
Actually they were hunters/gatherers and were nomadic when they needed to be. When the ice ages receded they moved north and then retreated south
following game when it became cold again. Some information on this in some previous links i posted.
originally posted by runetang Nice idea, but the Neanderthals were never that organized and civilized, to have a non-nomadic culture
center to live at, wearing garments and having communal events. Big hairy Yeti looking blacksmiths smart enough with their big arse stub fingers to
make swords and spear tips??
They were organized enough to live in communal groups, care for sick and injured members, made clothing by sewing, made jewellery, statues and masks,
and used rituals in the burying of their dead. And were making tools long before Homo Sapiens.
originally posted by ByrdAlso remember that at the time, Sapiens was not the only human species other than Neanderthal. We also had
Heidelbergensis and Eregaster (and Floresiensis), both of which overlap some or all of the Neanderthal timeline.
Wasn't heidelbergensis the precursor Neandertal in Europe?
"The Neanderthal is the European further develop- ment of Homo erectus, who wandered out of Africa for the first time around two million years
ago. The second wave occurred 800,000 years ago. The Neanderthal developed from this in Europe by way of Homo heidelbergensis.
Once again thanks for all the reply's if i didn't specifically answer your post it's because i had nothing relevant to add or i felt myself or
other posters had already answered.