Go read the discussion in other thread.
Originally posted by wu kung
Okay, Fortune 500 corporations...
They have board meetings.
You can't just walk into a board meeting, right?
Companies have trade secrets.
Companies have secrets so their company can dominate the competition, out sell out market control and make money. Well in the masons the competition
to there secret society is the common people, the people the masons want to dominate and make money off of.
Your argument supports mine, it does not counter it. Secrets are held to protect the secret holder, sometimes that protects all, but usually it
doesn't, look at history.
And companies have SEC regulations and accountants to regulate the secrecy a bit to protect the people from illegal acts.
And y'know what?
Religions keep secrets too.
Confession...it's kept strictly between the individual and the priest.
That's a secret, yes?
If two people have a secret that does not effect society that is fine, but the masons have secrets that reach outside their group. Favoritism,
control of power, and unequal justice system.
If they do not, why are they in unequal places in society. I just tripped your elitism, you thought because they are better, well then why have
secret signs for when they need help, because they are the same and can not be distinguished without that sign. Your elitism is your way to justify
you having influence over other parts of society. Your exclusion allows for lack of empathy building with other elements of society.
To quote a young brother of mine:
"This is getting so old, it's not even funny anymore."
Agreed, go read my other thread so I don't have to type the same obvious reasons why your secrets are not for the benefit of all.
If you people think that Freemasonry is up to some nefarious agenda, prove it.
I don't have to, They do, They prove it by telling us that if we knew the secrets we would not approve of them, that's why they are secret. It is
a no brainer.
Here is one from the history books, a British soldier about to be treated badly gave a mason hand sign and a fellow Mason Continental soldier stepped
in to save him. The rest of the British soldiers got no such reprieve. This is an example of two tier justice. A two tier system set up by a group
that also determines membership in secret is nefarious. That is one example, just one, but it fits your oath and credo. Deny that would be a
responsibility of a mason. Then again don't bother you can lie I wouldn't know, your credo is secret. Zero credibility. You know of many more,
social, economic, and opportunity examples.
And don't pull that "I don't have to, I feel it in my gut" nonsense because then my reply will be "we're not up to anything bad, and I don't
have to prove that because I feel it in my gut."
See, it doesn't seem as effective from the other side of the argument.
Other side of the argument? I don't even know what you mean by feel it in my gut, I know by there secrecy as I have explained. As far as being
effective, heh, I will leave that to the discerning reader.
I'm telling you from experience that we are not bad guys.
Believe me, don't believe me...I don't care.
But stop trashing something that you obviously know nothing about.
It shows a deep rooted bigotry and displays a wealth of ignorance.
I will skip my experiances since I have made my arguments on logic and reason that anyone can see without having to give me credibility.
I am bashing a method of maintaining power or inequality, secrecy, it happens to be the masons use that method. So it is the masons choice to do
something that logically shows what they are.
I know many masons are good people, but the idea of promoting people to new information being selected by the holders of that information allows the
selection of people who only carry the agenda of the secret holders. The slow adding of new secrets is indoctrination over time. This has been done
You said "I know nothing about masons?" I already told you, and you agree, that masons do something to protect themselves from the judgement of all
of society. They keep things secret, what more do I need to know, go through history and the reason things are kept secret. Think about it for
heaven sake, think man think.
Besides if the masons are bad guys how would you even know. They might be protecting a secret like you would when speaking to me. Besides your
groups doctrine can never be challenged by a source that is not approved to hear it, and has gone through proper time of indoctrination. You don't
even know if it is good, nobody can ever challenge it. Sounds like a safe way to protect something that is not good doctrine.
bigotry, and ignorance, I have shown nothing of that, again think of what I typed. You are throwing out a protection mechanism for self justification
so you do not have to think on my points, or you know I am right and are talking to the crowd with known deception. Take your pick.
I state that the principle your order works under leads to, has been shown in history, and promotion ideas and actions against the good of society.
Come on I know you agree, this argument you put up is for those lesser common people not in the know, hence no credibility.
Seriously, this is ridiculous.
yes it is, go read the other thread, I don't want to retype it all here.
And you put the monkey symbol up there, why because it is one of the words used to describe a segment of the population within masonary. I see you
did not explain that in your post defending Masons. It is one of the secrets, the labeling of people and your self appointed elitism.
Why not explain to our good listeners the meaning of monkey, Step out from hiding behind a veil of secrecy into the light, be honest with the good
people, whoops we already know you have to defend the secrets, maintain the elitism, more lies, no credibility. Hubris is the downfall of those with
a superiority complex.
[edit on 4-10-2007 by Redge777]