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I think thats part of the problem. You talk to executives and politicians and policy makers and expect them to tell you the truth of why they are doing something? Isnt it obvious to you that they use the press to get whatever message out there that fits their cause?
These people are some of the most biased individuals you can find. Do you expect the GM executive to start talking about how everybody should buy a Mercedes for example? Or the President to agree that aliens exist even if he thinks so? Come on.
Some of the most professional liars in the world are the ones you call credible here.
Originally posted by Snap
I would not doubt it for one second. There seems to be a lot of disgruntlement in the military these days. Look at all the generals that are starting to speak out now. Look at all the soldiers going to protests or giving back their metals.
Using nukes would only turn the world against us and they know it.
Originally posted by hightowerx
reply to post by DaleGribble
Know what. Yes, they could have made it and if they want them to make it they will. I think I'm leaning towards the hope that they didn't make it. Hoping there is a sliver of truth in this report.
Originally posted by LightsInYourMind
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"Our oath of office is to “protect and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.” Might I suggest that this includes a rogue president and vice-president? Certainly we are bound to carry out the legal orders of our superiors. But the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) which binds all of us enshrines the Nuremberg Principles which this country established after World War II (which you are too young to remember). One of those Nuremberg Principles says that we in the military have not only the right, but also the DUTY to refuse an illegal order"
[edit on 27-9-2007 by LightsInYourMind]
Originally posted by behindthescenes
Plus, if this truly was a "top hat" coup d'et tat, then a more legit newssource would have definitely jumped on that story. I know many of you are super suspicious of the media establishment, but I come from that world, and I can tell you that something of that magnitude would not have gone unnoticed for long. And, yes, the NY Times or the Post or CNN -- hell, even Fox -- would have reported what would have amounted to the story of our lifetimes short of 9/11.
Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts
This story if full of holes. It does not pass the sniff test (i.e. common sense, reason and logic) But hey, if your a conspiracy buff, you eat this stuff up, sometimes without bothering to stop and use your own brain to think things through. People count on you not to over think things so you swallow loads like this blindly.
Again, total and complete bunk.
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Source is Wayne Madsen Report
When ex-NSA employee, Wayne Madsen hit the Internet with his tale of a massive electronic vote-stealing operation costing tens of millions of dollars, the story was greeted with skepticism by vote fraud activists. With good cause.
Despite their hunger for any report that would shed light on the exact method by which Bush had subverted the will of the people, Madsen's story --featuring a Cayman island bank, an offshore trust and a payoff check to conspirators for over $29 million --was just a bit too tinfoil-hat for most.....
.....The heart of the story was his seminal account of a $29 million payoff check to an alleged Bush-linked offshore trust. Now he admits the check in question was a fake
Media reports of the number of locals afflicted by a "mysterious disease"--with symptoms such as nausea, headaches and sore throats--after visiting the crater figured in every news article about the Aug. 15 event, with some reporting that as many as 600 people had fallen ill.
But doctors who visited the site told the Associated Press they found no evidence that the crater had actually sickened such a large number of people.
Originally posted by crgintx
reply to post by hightowerx
There are no depleted Uranium 20 mm rounds which is the caliber of the gun on the F-16. The B-36 was retired from service in 1959. Thomas's source is either one ignorant s.o.b. or a bad liar.
I wish folks would please just do the barest of research on the supposed facts before quoting/linking something the disinformation agents put forward.
Most military use of depleted uranium has been as 30 mm and smaller ordnance, ~Excerpt~ The U.S. Marine Corps uses DU in the 25 mm PGU-20 round fired by the GAU-12 Equalizer cannon of the AV-8B Harrier, and also in the 20 mm M197 gun mounted on AH-1 helicopter gunships. The US Navy's Phalanx CIWS's M61 Vulcan gatling gun used 20 mm armor-piercing penetrator rounds with discarding plastic sabots which were made using depleted uranium, later changed to tungsten.