The 3 minutes BEFORE the student got tasered @ Kerry's Q&A

reply to post by Electro38


resisting arrest?

these are campus police tasing this student who employs them. the kids couldn't have been under arrest becuase campus police CAN NOT ARREST someone. they can call the REAL police and possibly have someone arrested.

Beyond all that rubbish ... on what grounds to you based you "arrest" assumption? Last I check "disturbing the peace" was not grounds for arrest.

[edit on 20-9-2007 by tyranny22]

I know this will not be accepted well based on other replies but you have to realize he caused the problem to start.

Yes he has a right to protest but he does not have the right to disrupt a school function.

Had he not resisted I doubt he would have been tazered.

The whole video really looked like a set up and was backed up by school officals who stated he was a prankster and had a questionalbe web site.

[edit on 9/20/2007 by shots]

Originally posted by SpadeofAces

Unbelievable. So much for the spirit of inquiry being fostered at today's U.S. universities.

At least John Kerry answered the question, albeit unintentionally. Kerry stood by while Bush stole the election the same way he stood by while this student was tasered. Horrible. Not a fit leader.

The fascist, repressive response is not isolated or unusual.

I watched the video several times. There's something strangely familiar about the whole scene. I think that the student who spoke up was probably the brightest, bravest mind in there. What is frightening as you watch the video is how passively most of the rest of the students looked on. They appear to be too scared to move.

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Thank you for that link, it cleared up a lot of things for me now. He did point out a lot of things and it's obvious Kerry is just there to make the DEMS look bad.

For all we know, he is just a wolf in sheep's clothing. Why didn't he protest the election. I do recall saying that right after the election and I did notice he conceded right away.

It's easy to figure out who is the bigger threat to the Republican Party. Just watch all the pundits on TV like Tucker Carlson, Newt Ginrich, and Hannity. Watch how angry they get when they talk about Hillary.

it's almost as though they're are getting angry because they know their taxes are going to rise if a Democrat gets in office. They hate the fact that they will no longer get the Bush Tax Break.

Which reminds me, did anyone see John Stewart last night? This woman had written a great book and shows how America is becoming a Fascist State. It explains the despot blueprint on how to shut down a society which basically shows we are controlled by fascist. Which is what Hitler used on his country and it's scary to see the Bush Administration going along the same blueprint.

Go back a little further and you can find ties of Prescott Bush to the Neo Nazi's. Pretty scary stuff and I hope we don't end up like the Germans did.

Way too much over analyzing here...
Reminds me of the 911, NWO, Iraq/Iran movements, too much junk and then the real issues get lost in the mix (anyone see a pattern here?) Doesnt matter if he was looking for fame or if he was "taking one for the team" what does matter is that an American citizen was refused his righta as an American citizen and was physically, publicly silenced.
I do not believe that anywhere in the constitution it says that freedom of speech is only limited to certain places and times. Nor does it say that your freedom to speak is null and void if you raise your voice over a certain octave, are passionate about a cause or even want your 5 minutes of fame. Also doesnt say that your Freedom of Speech ends when you go against the grain, when you make a politician uneasy or even when you ask someone to tape you as you are taking advantage of your rights as an AMERICAN citizen. No where in the constitution does it say that we have these rights but at anytime these rights can be taken away if someone who is more powerful decides to do so.
Our Declaration of Independence "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
This is AMERICA, Land of the FREE, remember??? Have we all been so desensitized that we don't even remember the one ideal that makes us so proud of our country and that many a great soul have given their lives for.

What chills me to the bone is that this was done with absolutely no fear of public knowledge, they knew that people were tapeing, they knew we would see this mans rights physically denied him and they didnt care. They gave the media the spin story but they knew that they would not be able to control the internet and THEY DIDNT CARE. Why? Because they know that we will not do anything, they know that we have given up our rights and that we just dont care anymore, THEY KNOW THEY CAN DO ANYTHING WITHOUT REPERCUSSION BECAUSE WE HAVE ALL GIVEN THEM THE POWER TO DO SO.

Declaration of Independence
"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

I am an American citizen, I love my country, I fear my government.

Originally posted by badw0lf

The guy was NOT just asking a QUESTION. He was howling innuendo that wreaked of agenda at an opportune moment, fully knowing he was going to cause a problem.

Doesnt matter, those are his rights as an American, he did not break the law in anyway.
And if you bring up disturbing the peace as a law, he had an even, calm tone until they tried to silence him.

I don't care one way or another of they why and what for - but if you have a valid point, don't stand carrying yourself as if to expect a conflict, firing comment after comment disguised by aggressive questioning, shouting your opinions disguised as statements, and then expect to be given a chuppachup and a pat on the back for the effort.

Whether he expected a pat on the back or not, this man was tackled to the ground and tasered, do you not see the obvious problem here?
And once again, he is an American citizen therefore he has a right to aggresive questioning, shouting his opinions and he can even disguise his opinions as statements if he likes.
We put our country into the hands of people who practice these ideals everyday, I have yet to see any of them tackled and tasered, have you?



The guy was obviously looking for this. Im completely against corruption and politics in general for it's inherent corruption, but this guy makes my blood boil by his actions.

There is a rational and responsible way to go about these things - standing off and purposely seeking to antagonize people, is simply pathetic, really.

Either he had a valid query and was absolutely appalling at getting it across, or he was intentionally seeking conflict.



Really? What is the rational and responsible way? Write a letter to my congressman? Call up Mr. Kerry and ask to have lunch? Hope that skull and bones invites me into the club?
Seriously, it is time for us all to open our eyes, a man was silenced, his rights were taken away. I don't care if he was fame seeking or a patriot, it doesnt matter, what does matter is
AN AMERICAN CITIZEN WAS SILENCED BY FORCE, HE WAS NOT BREAKING THE LAW YET ALL OF HIS RIGHTS WERE TAKEN AWAY FROM HIM and ALL OF AMERICA KNOWS AND NO ONE CARES.

If you are on private property at an officially sanctioned event, you can either maintain some semblance of decorum, or be escorted away. You can't just go wherever you want, and say anything you want, at anytime. This guy was interefering with other folks free speech rights by taking up their time. Try going into a theater and yelling fire, or inciting a riot, and see how that 1st Amendment defense works for you.

Originally posted by tyranny22
He was elected, period?

Yes. Period. He was elected twice - despite obvious attempts by Gore to steal it the first time.

Election Stolen in my book.

Then 'your book' doesn't understand the electoral college or the reason that the founding fathers put it in action.

Originally posted by shots
The whole video really looked like a set up and was backed up by school officals who stated he was a prankster and had a questionalbe web site.

Exactly. The problem student had people positioned to video tape it AND he had a history of pulling off histronics and stunts while having them video taped and then putting them on the internet.

Poor John Kerry. Seriously. The guy had no clue this idiot was in the audience and, to Kerry's credit, he tried to get the cops to back off so he could answer the 'question'.

Also - BlueRaja is absolutely correct.

Originally posted by Electro38
Didn't the student seem manic? They gave him a 2nd chance when he complained in the beginning and then he got more manic.

They tasered him because he was resisting them and getting angry. Could they just have let him go loose in there?

If he didn't come off as such a manic nut they would have let him ask his questions.

I don't see the big deal, he acted like a nut and resisted when they tried to escort him out.

They have a protocol, they have to respond to people acting nuts.

If this guy was calm and coherent, do you think that would have happened?

I also think that people like him do this deliberately because it brings much more attention to their whacked out beliefs. Notice how whenever you see this happening they always start yelling out "help me" "help me"?

This was planned, this guy planned on making that happen to get more attention.




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[edit on 19-9-2007 by Electro38]

I tend to agree, although with that many officers the taser did not need to be used. It was overboard.

Why do many people who are trying to get the truth out there have to sound so manic and whacked out? Calm and composed would have gotten better results.





[edit on 20-9-2007 by 24700]

Agreed. If it wasn't something the kid staged (which I think it was), and he really wanted to ask questions, or even debate. Comb your hair, (as a matter of fact take a bath... and don't forget to take your meds that day!), now then take a deep breath and politely ask all of your insane questions.

Don't try to take over and control the event, start ranting uncontrollably, and scare your fellow students. He scared the crap out of them, as seen in the video.

He got tasered because he became hysterical as they were walking him away. They did the right thing and they deserved to laugh at this nut.

And, he had planned everything that happened to him. He knew exactly what he was doing.

This video made my guts turn and I could not help but post a reply.

The poor guy did not deserve to be treated like that. Maybe he raised his voice a bit but certainly the police action was way over the top. His questions were valid and of interest but someone didn't like them. So much so that his microphone got switched off too.

This and other incidents have convinced me that Americans are truly loosing thier once cheerished Freedom, something that they once loved so much and boasted about.

I never imagined that the Land of The Free will one day become the Land of The Chickens. Nobody helped the guy when he was brutilised by the Police, why ? Had the incident happened in my Country, all the students would have jumped on the Police, regardless of any arrests.

How much more can you take before you do something ?

Wake up Americans, it's already getting too late.

Originally posted by tyranny22
reply to post by Electro38

 

resisting arrest?

these are campus police tasing this student who employs them. the kids couldn't have been under arrest becuase campus police CAN NOT ARREST someone. they can call the REAL police and possibly have someone arrested.

Beyond all that rubbish ... on what grounds to you based you "arrest" assumption? Last I check "disturbing the peace" was not grounds for arrest.

[edit on 20-9-2007 by tyranny22]

Yes, believe it or not you can be "arrested" by security on private property.
Go look it up.

What does it matter if his encouraging this event was intentional?

He was immediately detained against his will and then tasered when he posed no physical threat to the officers.

I didn't see anyone come up to him and ask him to step away. I didn't see anyone stand between him and the microphone and ask him to step away. I saw a couple cops immediately use physical force to pull him back and place his hands behind his back. The tasering when he was no threat at all to the officers is flat out assault.

You can't stage that, unless the cops were in on it.

Originally posted by giorgio
This video made my guts turn and I could not help but post a reply.

The poor guy did not deserve to be treated like that. Maybe he raised his voice a bit but certainly the police action was way over the top. His questions were valid and of interest but someone didn't like them. So much so that his microphone got switched off too.

This and other incidents have convinced me that Americans are truly loosing thier once cheerished Freedom, something that they once loved so much and boasted about.

I never imagined that the Land of The Free will one day become the Land of The Chickens. Nobody helped the guy when he was brutilised by the Police, why ? Had the incident happened in my Country, all the students would have jumped on the Police, regardless of any arrests.

How much more can you take before you do something ?

Wake up Americans, it's already getting too late.

Where are you from?

I love how the anti-usa people will use this to make them feel better.

Sure, it's ok that a manic ranting nut tries to control a forum hosting a US senator on private property.

Lets get things in perspective. This was private property wasn't it? Those were University security guards?

Our gov. had nothing to do with this. His fellow students didn't do anything to help because he scared them all. Did you hear them applaud? Did you see how scared they looked when he was just speaking?

They saw the obvious, where you could not.

Originally posted by BlueRaja
If you are on private property at an officially sanctioned event, you can either maintain some semblance of decorum, or be escorted away. You can't just go wherever you want, and say anything you want, at anytime. This guy was interefering with other folks free speech rights by taking up their time. Try going into a theater and yelling fire, or inciting a riot, and see how that 1st Amendment defense works for you.

Once again muddying the waters...
Yes, you can go wherever you want and say anything you want and at anytime unless there is a specific LAW that says differently, which in this specific case there is not.
How was he interfering with others free speech rights?
A question and answer period had been scheduled and you can clearly hear Kerry ask for his question, no anarchy there.
It is a sad, sad sign when we have been so duped that we believe questioning a politician is a waste of time.
I have no desire to yell Fire in a theatre or incite a riot and I have to believe that you can see that those situations are not even remotely comparable to what the student did.
He did not storm the room screaming and rioting, he attended an event and when the question and answer time began he raised his hand and then was called on by Kerry to ask his question. Kerry did not open the questioning with " Only questions that present myself and President Bush in a favorable light"
When he first began to ask his question his "semblance of decorum" was appropriate, the situation turned when they attempted to silence him.
Um, obviously he was not escorted away and at no point was there even a reason to escort him away, his question was asked for and he tried to ask it. Are you saying that your freedom of speech rights are not protected when you are at a public event and are called on during a question and answer segment? or are you saying that if the question is not status quo then you have no rights and then should be "escorted" out?

Originally posted by limousinemouse
Seems to me there are two kinds of Americans.

1/ the kind that are willing to ask tough questions and care about the direction humanity is going in

and

2/ the kind that are willing to suppress those that ask these tough questions and only care about maintaining their rather small, and getting smaller, comfort zones (TV, beer, work, masturbation).

Like many of you, I'm sure you realize how ridiculous TV has gotten in the past 5-10 years. It is no longer informative. The only decent channels left are public access, and programming on the Discovery Channel, National Geographic, History channel, and possibly a couple more. I have tuned myself out of the world of cable, unless I'm at a friends house or whatever. The shows they have on are absolutely ridiculous, mindless, and brainwashing...no wonder people have no idea what is going on in the real world. TV makes the real world look so un-exciting and bland, so let's turn on Vh1 and watch some Flavor Flave. I'm sure at least 75% of all Americans are dumbed out of the outside world, into so false reality created by network and television executives.

reply to post by jritzmann


What a douche-bag cop. Nice still frame.

FYI I am from the Democratic Island of Malta. Where people do not allow their Constitution to be trampled upon and we still cheerish freedom of speech and of anything else on this planet !

Where you there ? What makes you think the students were scared of him ? Did you watch all the video ? Is it possible that the students were scared of the Security presence behind him or something else ?
Since when have University Students lost their right to ask very valid questions to anyone ?

If you think my post was anti American then you got the wrong message buddy. I for one love American people and I even have family members living there.

It is the attitude of the American ' Government ' that is making me sick with it's lack of respect to your Constitution and other ' Huge Mistakes ' in some other parts of the World.

My message was intended to make some people realize what they are losing that's all.

If the American people accepted 2 rigged elections in a row then I am sorry to say that I cannot look upon America as the Land of The Free anymore period.

If you are happy with the situation then that's fine by me.

Originally posted by giorgio
FYI I am from the Democratic Island of Malta. Where people do not allow their Constitution to be trampled upon and we still cheerish freedom of speech and of anything else on this planet !

Where you there ? What makes you think the students were scared of him ? Did you watch all the video ? Is it possible that the students were scared of the Security presence behind him or something else ?
Since when have University Students lost their right to ask very valid questions to anyone ?

If you think my post was anti American then you got the wrong message buddy. I for one love American people and I even have family members living there.

It is the attitude of the American ' Government ' that is making me sick with it's lack of respect to your Constitution and other ' Huge Mistakes ' in some other parts of the World.

My message was intended to make some people realize what they are losing that's all.

If the American people accepted 2 rigged elections in a row then I am sorry to say that I cannot look upon America as the Land of The Free anymore period.

If you are happy with the situation then that's fine by me.

You have no idea about our constitution. When your country comes out of the stone age, then maybe we can talk.

Worry about your country. Maybe you guys can someday rule your own land, and not have anyone who wants it take it over.

Holy crap...

I'm sick of these anti-american a-holes and pot head hippies who think everything's a conspiracy and we should live in a state of complete chaos and insanity.



[edit on 20-9-2007 by Electro38]

Originally posted by Electro38
Agreed. If it wasn't something the kid staged (which I think it was), and he really wanted to ask questions, or even debate. Comb your hair, (as a matter of fact take a bath... and don't forget to take your meds that day!), now then take a deep breath and politely ask all of your insane questions.

Don't try to take over and control the event, start ranting uncontrollably, and scare your fellow students. He scared the crap out of them, as seen in the video.

He got tasered because he became hysterical as they were walking him away. They did the right thing and they deserved to laugh at this nut.

And, he had planned everything that happened to him. He knew exactly what he was doing.

Are we watching the same 3 minute video?
When he began to ask his question, he was cool, calm, collected and polite. The frustration began to build with the first attempt to silence and escalated as he was being physically hauled off with no precedence.

He did not by any means look unkept or slovenly but I will keep in mind that if I ever get the chance to question my elected officials I will be sure to wear my diamonds and pearls.
I am not going to even respond to the meds comment, not even worth it.

Take over and control??? He was asking a question, YES his line of thought went against status quo but if he had been allowed to finish, Kerry would have thrown some spin out there and that would be it. The disruption came from the police trying to shut him up once again without precedence.
I hope and pray the others were scared and are still scared after realizing that the America they grew up believing in is dead and gone. I am pretty terrified myself just from watching the video.

He was "hysterical" because 4 police officers were physically forceing him to shut up and leave, I would be "hysterical" too.
Because they dont like the line of questioning the question shouldnt be asked???
You need to wake up. I don't care what political party you prefer, what color your skin is, what your socio economic status is, what religion you are or even whether or not you took a bath this morning if you just sit back and accept everything you see and hear you are doing yourself a great disjustice. Everyone should always question what is going on around them, it is in YOUR best interest to make sure others are not out to harm you especially others who are elected by you.
And once again, the issue should not be whether he planned it or not, ask yourself why they even attempted to stop his questions?? WHY? Why when he made it clear that he had the right to finish did they find his line of questioning so threatning that they had to tackle and taser??

I can understand having him being calmed down or escorted out.. thats easy. but... they had enough control of him to get him to the back of the room and yet still had to tazer?

Not just the use of tazers and the like.I want to know the limits of police power?
It seems in the mere presence of an officer all freedom disappears. in court it's innocent until proven guilty. for a cop.. only has to suspect something...

What are the minimum requirements for a police state? do we have one now?