The 3 minutes BEFORE the student got tasered @ Kerry's Q&A, page 16
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reply posted on 24-9-2007 @ 11:10 AM by NIcon
reply to post by Xtrozero

Xtrozero, I think we all missed the part where he pushed forward in the line as it's not in the video, but it's my assumption that he wasn't too out of line as they allowed him to stay. Not only did they allow him to stay but they turned the entire focus of the forum over to him for five minutes. If that action didn't require his physical removal I see absolutely nothing after the video started which should have elevated this into a physical confrontation. Was the student a little overboard in his questioning...yes. Did the cops go a little overboard when they first grab him...yes. I do believe they were only going to escort him out. But their little excess made the whole situation erupt into what resulted into the tasering. It's interesting to me that we've had cameras in patrol cars for over a decade where they can study how to diffuse situations such as this, but rather than coming up with new psychological and non-violent ways to handle people, it seems departments around the country are demanding their officers to get more physical and they'll buy them the new "toys" with which they can do it. It's becoming more "I can grab this guy and if he resists I'll shock him" rather than "I can talk this guy down." It's my fear that this is the trend rather than the rare exception.



reply posted on 25-9-2007 @ 08:13 AM by Ankil
reply to post by SpadeofAces


Talk about an "inconvenient truth." The young man did resist (classic mistake), but should not have been tazered unless he posed a threat to the rent-a-cops or anyone else present. Has anyone made an attempt to identify the "black shirts" and/or pursue an objective investigation. The Rodney King beating was deplorable and sickening to watch, and frankly, I would equate the two. An effective technique is for bystanders to discreetly record the name tags and badge numbers of the officials involved. Clearly they were out of control. Senator Kerry is not to blame for this incident, but some will try to blame him in a conspiratorial way I am sure. The young man got out of line during his diatribe, but when confronted should have complied with the "authorities" present. I have been involved with civil protests since the '60's. Rule 1: Never confront a cop unless you want a busted head. Rule 2: Never raise your hands above your waist. Rule 3: Never raise your voice during a close quarters confrontation with cops (they go from zero to panic in about 1.5 seconds and are trained to respond with overwhelming force.) I know this from my training in crowd control. To me John Kerry and a white bread and mayonaise sandwich have about the same appeal . Unfortunately, he will be at least partially blamed for part of this. My question is: "Will he have the moral courage to step forward and pursue justice for this young man?" I thought not. This whole sordid affair is but another example of "authority" gone out of control. Nuff said


reply posted on 25-9-2007 @ 03:43 PM by Ankil
reply to post by MystikMushroom


You need felony assault and battery on a cop charges, too? If you did that almost anything the troglodytes did to you would be legally justified. I don't know about you, but .357 rounds don't feel good to me. Nor do boot stomps on my noggin:
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