Student Arrested, Tasered at Kerry Event, page 27
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reply posted on 19-9-2007 @ 04:43 PM by avingard
reply to post by MasterRegal




I would agree that he was resisting, but at the same time I would say resisting what? Arrest? What was he arrested for, he was released from jail the next day?

That aside, the police were justified in escorting him out. He had used up more time than he should, he was making a scene, so the natural thing to do is to ask him to leave and 'help' him leave if he refuses. Once he was outside though, that should have been it. Let him go and don't let him back in. However, somehow he ended up on the floor, surrounded by six cops. Maybe he was resisting, but he certaintly wasn't throwing punches or anything like that, in which case why couldn't the cops just man-handle him? Just turn him over, grab his hands and cuff him. Watch cops, just one or two cops is usually sufficient to subdue someone. The tasering wasn't justified.

And for everyone that says 'he was asking for it' or 'he wanted to be taserd', does that really justify it? If you go up to a cop on the street and say "Hey, taser me," does that give him the right to taser you? Nope


reply posted on 19-9-2007 @ 04:47 PM by MikeboydUS
Before I respond to this Here's a little bit about myself.

I was a Military Policeman in the US Army from 2004-2007
I have went through the TASER course and am certified in the use of the device.

Ok, now the response.

We treated Taliban detainess better than our cops treat our own citizens.

Wow. If I had done that as an MP I would of been reprimanded or worse. That was clear use of excessive force. You dont TASER people when you have positive control. The cops had postive control of the subject and they should of just dragged him out of the building.

I have been tasered and its extremely painful. For those of you who think otherwise when I was in Afghanistan 2005-2006 my unit was attached to 2-3 and 1-3 Marines. A number of these Marines came to my unit wanting to be tased to prove how tough they were. We warned them but they wanted to do it anyway. So we got approval to tase about two squads worth of Marines. These guys are pretty tough but when it it came down to the Taser the Taser won every time. Just by threatening to hit them again with it we had them slandering the Marines and praising the Army rather than get jolted again.

Now for the news media and the sheeple.

The guy no matter how much of an idiot he was does not deserve to be treated with excesive force.

Imagine for a second if he had not been white. There would of been mobs of people ready to support and defend him after the event. The media would not be making fun of him and the incident would not be made into a joke by the media.

Being an idiot or acting like one doesnt excuse excessive force. We should have more respect for our own citizens than enemy combatants at least.


reply posted on 19-9-2007 @ 06:07 PM by malcolmdelaney
reply to post by MasterRegal



He demanded to know why he was being arrested. There was nothing "violent" about his response.



reply posted on 19-9-2007 @ 06:56 PM by C0le
At this point if minds haven't been changed then they never will be, given this event every argument by now has been argued for both sides.

The term Police State is thrown around, Those who these events don't directly effect or those in LE disagree with this statement on the grounds there isn't some mass agenda that everyone is in on.

I don't believe that anyone believes there is some mass agenda that everyone in LE is in on, Whats going on is the simple natural course of any society that has forgotten its basic principles, Freedom & Liberty.

Things are changing at the rate of a slow boil...

LE are tasked to do things that are seemingly ok because they don't push the bounds to far but just within reason, Liberty and freedom isn't taken all at once, which would give a clear indication of whats going on, but piece by piece ever so slowly, reasons for these minor restrictions or barriers placed on rights on the grounds that it is for the well being of society in general.

laws which reflect our rights are changed, modified on the grounds it will help Government protect us from whatever evil is present at the time, be it Murderers, Criminals in Genera,l or Terrorists.

People in General are good thats not to mean they are nice or pleasant to be around, but simply that they don't commit crime or violate the rights of another, These people, Us are lead to believe by our Government, our media, that in order to protect us we need to give up certain liberties, That to give up these liberties will enable Government to protect us further.

The problem being is that the individual has long given up his duty to himself to protect his own life, and given this duty to Government, He has forgotten the basic foundation of freedom.

Governments duty is to protect us from all enemies foreign and domestic,
But while doing so its tasked with the protection of our unalienable rights, for that is its sole purpose because the protection of us isn't merely the protection of life, but the right to life, The constitution was written upon such principles, Governments job isn't to protect the enslaved but to protect the rights and liberties of man, from anyone who threatens such rights.

Governments job is to make sure we can do anything we please so long as the things are are doing don't violate the rights of another man, that is the only limitation on freedom, its a very simple concept, The law of this land wasn't written in a volume of books that fill a library, but on a few pieces of paper, Because it isn't a complicated concept to grasp, unless you complicate it on purpose.

Live and let live, What someone says, You may not agree with, What someone does, you may not agree with, What someone believes you may not agree with, But unless any of these things violate the rights of another, then they are none of our business.

Sadly the people have forgotten such principles, They care only about themselves and what directly effects them any particular moment in time, if someone does something out the norm that they may not like, they cheer for his arrest, they cheer for his persecution, not realizing that continuing this concept of reality will eventually lead to the downfall of a once great nation, not realizing that one day the beliefs they themselves hold will not be the norm, and that they to will suffer the same fate that they themselves cheered for, they will look into the crowd of those who persecute them on that day and understand they could have prevented this.


reply posted on 19-9-2007 @ 07:08 PM by Techsnow
cnn.com report


When it was his turn, Meyer first asked about the 2004 presidential election and followed with statements about whether President Bush should be impeached.


Thats exactly what I saw and I think the police were ONCE again, using their power where it wasn't allowed.

As for the people laughing over this even, I believe it was a sub conscious even that people will do when they are unsure of a situation they are witnessing.

Two of the officers have been sent on administrative leave but thats not good enough imo.


reply posted on 19-9-2007 @ 08:43 PM by Xtrozero
Don’t most of you feel that this kid did this as a stunt since he has a web site that has him pulling pranks as a hobby?

Also, how do we go from a liberal open mike meeting with campus cops to what many are calling a police state, with even Bush to blame for it all?
I also saw 2 cops (one female) just trying to lead him away from the mike at first, and then he started his obstreperous ranting. No, he wasn’t violent, but he was physically resisting any attempts by the cops to lead him away. When finally a larger cop was able to move him towards the exit he then increased his physical effort or break away from the hold the cops had on him which led to being put on the ground. After repeated demands to roll over so they could cuff him he refused and got zapped.

Now personally I see a taser as less of a violent move than to continue to wrestle with him, also since he did have his turn at the mike and then later jumped up and took the mike out of another person’s hand who was asking a question really increased the level of the security’s awareness that they might have trouble…which he intended to do.

Lastly, the horrible screams he was doing once tasered was just stupid and another act on his part. I been tasered and it is not that bad.
In contrast to the other video of the guy getting jumped at the town meeting by a cop I find that to be totally wrong and that cop needs to be put up on charges.


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