Two Soldiers who wrote critical article on war dead

Then you have this too! Definitely enough to warrant some theories IMO!

Soldiers in helo crash set to testify.....

Originally posted by MauiStacey

A third one has been shot in the head.

www.halturnershow.com...

I know it's from Hal's site. I'm trying to find where he got the story from.

Hals site is down AGAIN. What is it, third time in a couple of days?

I wouldnt be surprised if he has a "accident" soon and end up face down in a river...



[edit on 14-9-2007 by Copernicus]

reply to post by TooRisky

OH please....Stop...Stop...Stop...Why why go to the degree that you do...war is hell, and why do you want to desicrate [sic] the graves of the warriors..

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So...the mother of a dead soldier desecrates her son's memory when she requests an investigation into the suspicious timing of his death? That's an odd accusation.

In fact, I haven't seen anybody speak in less than glowing terms about the guts required by these young men to be in harm's way from enemy fire every day *and* to speak up about what is really going on in Iraq to the American people. These were some wonderful, courageous young men and their death is a shame. If, Godforbid, anything suspicious turned up about these deaths, above and beyond the already suspicious timing, then I would like to believe that those who answer any criticism of the war by loudly shouting "Support our troops!" would be the first to demand justice.

You see, I *do* support and respect the troops. I respect the courage and honor of every American troop who does his or her job well under the worst of conditions. I do *not* respect the political leadership that has placed our soldiers in these conditions and God knows I do not put anything past those "leaders", most of whom (Clinton, Bush, Quayle, Cheney, etc) either never served in the military or were placed in safe, comfortable assignments thanks to family connections.

Cmon, they were in harms way, sh*t happens and they were part of destiny...Try to play this to the 82nd at the battle of the Bulge. This is war people, because they are printed in the news means they are not protected in the field

(Bold mine)

This part is a little confusing, but the way I read the bolded section is that you feel because their views were printed in the media they should naturally have felt more vulnerable in the field? I hope that is not what you were trying to say.

To be candid "sh*t happens" sounds more like it is trivializing and diminishing the contribution of these, and all, American soldiers than anything that has been said in the thread so far. It's a shame when people confuse affecting a tone of jaded indifference with being a "realist".

I, for one, don't think that a single American casualty in any conflict should ever be dismissed with such cavalier indolence. If that's really the way you feel then that's really the way you feel and you're entitled to your opinion...but it seems unnecessarily cold to be so dismissive of the grieving mother of a soldier whose death came so alarmingly close on the heels of his public criticism of the political regime back home.

There was a statement made earlier that the third guy, the one shot in the head, didn't die. It appears he did eventually die from his wounds.

news.galvestondailynews.com...

...and in August saw another friend shot in the head, a wound that later killed him, the Capetillos said

EDIT: ...or maybe not:

One of the other five authors, Staff Sgt. Jeremy Murphy, was shot in the head while the article was being written. He is expected to recover.

thinkprogress.org...

hmmm

[edit on 9-14-2007 by Valhall]

Originally posted by DocMoreau
reply to post by St Udio

 

Are you sure about the pen names?

The War as We Saw It

Buddhika Jayamaha is an Army specialist. Wesley D. Smith is a sergeant. Jeremy Roebuck is a sergeant. Omar Mora is a sergeant. Edward Sandmeier is a sergeant. Yance T. Gray is a staff sergeant. Jeremy A. Murphy is a staff sergeant.

Everyone should actually read their Op-Ed...
DocMoreau

i did actually read the Op=ed,
i've also been reading many follow up articles

the best answer i have to my wrong assertion of 'pen-names'
is 'information overload'....

see:

www.agoravox.com...
www.democraticunderground.com...

the latter report had this particular statement;

...I've got a call to the Pentagon press office seeking confirmation that these two men are the same soldiers that wrote the op-ed...

i suspect that my mind made linkages that were not there, the person
investigating was not attempting to uncover names & identities, the rquest was only to 'confirm' that the known author's names were indeed the same persons & not another with a similar Christian name & sur name.

Every single time I hear someone speak out against this "mystery organization" that is leading the world to war in the middle east, they get killed. Every Single Time it seems! And yet, these few men are the ones with the bravery to actually stand and fight for justice. These few men of the Army were willing to put their lives on the line in order to speak for the majority of Americans, and they were murdered by the government. How disgusting this world has become!

It almost even makes me afraid to be participating on online discussion, because they are most definitely reading this as well.

Originally posted by blowfishdl
Every single time I hear someone speak out against this "mystery organization" that is leading the world to war in the middle east, they get killed. Every Single Time it seems! And yet, these few men are the ones with the bravery to actually stand and fight for justice. These few men of the Army were willing to put their lives on the line in order to speak for the majority of Americans, and they were murdered by the government. How disgusting this world has become!

It almost even makes me afraid to be participating on online discussion, because they are most definitely reading this as well.

Ask this question then- how many who supported the war have been killed? They should've been safe since they were not speaking out, right?

[edit on 14-9-2007 by BlueRaja]

www.fayobserver.com...

Here's a link from the local Fort Bragg area paper with some info on the matter.

Originally posted by Freeborn
Whilst not dismissing the possibility, let's wait for more facts before shouting conspiracy.

Were there other passengers on the 5-ton truck?
Did they all survive or were there more casualties?
Has a full investigation been carried out on the truck?
If so, what were the results?
Etc.

Shouting conspiracy when there is none detracts from the real conspiracies which are sometimes occuring unnoticed.

I agree. We don't want to jump to conclusions but let's look at yet ONE more silly little coinkadink as well. Yet a THIRD of the 7 has befallen a nasty accident. Yet he will survive is major wounds. What wounds? He was shot in the head while writing his part in this story.

Funny how these little coinkadinks tend to happen.

Yeah, 170k troops in Iraq and 40% of the 7 just happen to have either been killed or nearly killed. The odds! Kind of like the odds of terror exercises taking place both on September 11th here in the U.S. and during the London bombings. Boy, our world is just full of coinkadinks.

So, I do agree that more questions need to be answered but when we all sit back and look at what is going on in this world one begins to wonder.

So many lies from our 'elected' leaders. If you question them or challenge THEIR views on how things are happening you either get your credability attacked and smeared or you end up in an accident.

reply to post by dariousg


What are the odds that all 7 authors were in the same unit? I'd be far more suspicious if they were all in different units and getting killed. If they're all in the same unit, and that unit takes casualities, doesn't that improve the odds that they could be killed at the same time, since they're in close proximity to one another? I'm active duty military myself, and personally I find the notion that they're being targeted by US Forces to be BS and offensive. There is no imperative in the military that everyone share the same opinions, or that if they have opposing opinions that they'll be taken out.

Who said they are being targeted by US Forces?

Do you consider Blackwater Security "US Forces"? Do you consider the fascist elements within the US, the GOP, and our Federal Government "US Forces"? Do you think Eric Rudolph and Timothy McVeigh/Terry Nichols acted alone? Do you think 19 Arabs with boxcutters brought down the WTC and attacked the Pentagon and launched the Anthrax Attacks all by themselves? Were they all "US Forces"? Do you think Patrick Tillman died in a "Tragic Accident"?

What do you think?

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reply to post by Icarus Rising


I am with you here, I do not blame the US military going after their own soldiers, but the groups representing the war pushers that are a power on their own outside government jurisdiction and congress scrutiny.

The US members of the profiteers security forces that also happen to hire foreigners in their ranks.

We all Americans should ask our government accountability for this special mercenaries and their bosses.



[edit on 14-9-2007 by marg6043]

Originally posted by Icarus Rising
Who said they are being targeted by US Forces?

Do you consider Blackwater Security "US Forces"? Do you consider the fascist elements within the US, the GOP, and our Federal Government "US Forces"? Do you think Eric Rudolph and Timothy McVeigh/Terry Nichols acted alone? Do you think 19 Arabs with boxcutters brought down the WTC and attacked the Pentagon and launched the Anthrax Attacks all by themselves? Were they all "US Forces"? Do you think Patrick Tillman died in a "Tragic Accident"?

What do you think?

[edit on 14-9-2007 by Icarus Rising]

Well first of all based on the descriptive adjectives you used, I'd question your objectivity. To answer your questions though-

A- the vast majority of Blackwater employees are former US Forces, so my inclination to believe they're shooting at "current" US Forces is pretty low. I never saw any contractors downrange who I felt were working against us.

B- I saw more abuses of power by the Federal Government during the '92-'00 time frame, than I have during the Bush administration. I don't buy into the fascist conspiracies as you probably can surmise.

C- Eric Rudolph, Tim McVeigh/Terry Nichols, etc... were disturbed, confused, misguided, etc.. but I don't believe they were employeed or otherwise sponsored in their acts by the government.

D- I've seen the reports about Pat Tillman, and have seen nothing to lead me to believe that his death was a conspiracy. If anything there was a misguided attempt to provide a more comforting explanation to his family, than that he was accidentally killed by one of his team mates.

That's right. Thank you, marg.

Imo, it goes all the way back to Operation Paperclip. It has only gotten worse since then. Ike saw it coming, but nobody listened. Greed, immorality, and the lust for power have corrupted the halls of our nation's leadership.

Those that do become aware and have the temerity to speak out generally end up either being compromised and blackmailed, or suffering the same fate as these brave soldiers, either by accident or design.

Thank you, BlueRaja for your response.

It is possible to be objective, yet still have that objectivity lead to strong opinions based on objective observations.

You have obviously "bought in", chapter and verse, to the official party line. That is the seemingly safe thing to do these days.

We will see, before too very long I believe, how it all turns out.

reply to post by BlueRaja


Perhaps you should do a littler background of the leaders behind the so call security groups and their involvement in many littler dirty incursions around nations that their corporate bosses had a hold on.

Then you most ask yourself if they will not do the same to their own for the right price.

Is all about greed, corruption, power and the right amount of money.

The thing you should be afraid of is how much tax payer money is going into the hands of this so call security forces that now are spreading all over the US soil, building their own so call bases of operation and increasing their numbers, with Americans and foreigners in their ranks.

reply to post by Icarus Rising


I haven't bought into anything. I'm critical of things I feel warrant it, including policies of the current administration, but require a high burden of proof before changing any paradigms I subscribe to. I happen to feel that a lot of what goes as "evidence" for some of the conspiracy theories is pretty weak. Others do not. Hearsay from armchair experts isn't enough for me to drink kool aid. It seems to me that many want to believe the worst whether there supporting evidence or not, as it legitimizes their opinions. Because they are so sure that Bush and Co. are up to no good, they don't wait to see what the facts are before forming opinions, and that bothers me from a logical standpoint.
It's one thing to criticize those with whom you disagree with, but quite another to demonize them.

reply to post by marg6043


Marg,

The problem I have with US based security companies being implicated in the sort of activities you bring up, is that the folks who are employed by them(i.e. former US Soldiers and Marines) have given me no indication that they've renounced their allegiance to their own country. They aren't recruiting felons, etc... These are people who have served honorably in the military. To think that they would blindly follow an order to kill an American serviceman to me is a bit hard to accept. They are well paid, but how much $$$ does it take to over rule one's conscience and patriotism? Sure, one could point to examples of people who've done bad things for small sums, but on a large scale? I'm not ready to concede that as a foregone fact.

Forgive me if you got the impression I am trying to demonize you. I'm not. I am voicing my opinion based on the extensive research I've done, not to mention the life experiences I've had. I disagree with the position you have taken on this issue, and I recognize it well.

It is the system your position supports that is demonized. It is an abominable thing that is responsible for untold suffering throughout human history, imo. I believe it to be on its last legs, and will celebrate the day it is banished forever, consigned to the lake of fire and sent into the bottomless pit.

I gotta say people, I could quite easily believe this to be true but somewhere I must draw the line - and I'm finding it hard to do that the more I read the posts on this site lol. I've felt like writing several times before now, I think I'm only replying now because I can get away with a short(ish) response to this one

In order to orchestrate 9/11 only c.12 people + need be involved (or so I read in Michael Ruppert's book) - I suspect it goes deeper than this! However, I don't believe so many 'ordinary' soldiers can be party to such atrocities without the whistle being convincingly blown somewhere (not just witness statements but some tangible proof). Yes I believe in a NWO etc. but you must question your rationale if you believe their influence is so far reaching. Come on now, surely some solid prove would have emerged by now? Just how many people would need to be involved to pull off things like this? An improbable number is my answer...
As I said as the start, I could believe anything in this day and age but here in the UK it's 00.45 15 Sept 07 and the world hasn't gone up in smoke so I'm still trying to keep an open mind (or sit on the fence, whichever way you wish to view it!)
I can smell the gunpowder but I just can't see the smoke yet

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