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Two Soldiers who wrote critical article on war dead

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posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 12:04 PM
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Originally posted by Valhall

Originally posted by Dronetek
I feel more and more like I'm living in a giant mental hospital.


Care to explain?


Otherwise normal people seeing conspiracies EVERYWHERE.




posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 12:10 PM
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Are you sure about the pen names?

The War as We Saw It


Buddhika Jayamaha is an Army specialist. Wesley D. Smith is a sergeant. Jeremy Roebuck is a sergeant. Omar Mora is a sergeant. Edward Sandmeier is a sergeant. Yance T. Gray is a staff sergeant. Jeremy A. Murphy is a staff sergeant.


Everyone should actually read their Op-Ed...
DocMoreau



posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 12:12 PM
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I thought you felt like you were living in an insane asylum because there are conspiracies everywhere, and now you are starting to see em. wink...

DocMoreau



posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 12:14 PM
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Originally posted by Dr Love
Let's also not forget about those soldiers who were witness to the whole Jessica Lynch debacle being whacked out mysteriously.

Peace


Links? I never heard that.

That is a bit of an eye opener.
DocMoreau



posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 12:17 PM
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So as not to hijack this particular thread, do a search with me as the author. It was awhile back. I think a few other threads might touch on the subject as well.

Peace



posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by Gools
Interesting.

I guess how you feel and what you think about this depends on how strongly you believe in coincidences... or not.
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Yes, well, if a third person associated with article is killed then you can bet that I won't chalk it up to coincidence. As it is, I'm already reading it as a threat to any other servicemen who might be considering coming forward about conditions in Iraq.



posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 12:41 PM
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That's something I completely agree with. It's strictly business. [sarcasm]The servicemen shouldn't take it personally.[/sarcasm]



posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 03:31 PM
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Originally posted by Subcomandante
These "accidents" have became far too common during these years of Bush. From personal problems of rape accusations, to the speaking out against his government, brutal violence has always appeared as the answer. It's a worrying set of events, especially for those involved in denying ignorance, as most of the members of this site. I agree with Dronetek, except that the patients are running this hospital.


Yeah, because there aren't any strange deaths or "suicides" surrounding the Clintons.
If anything, there's been a decrease since Bush has taken office.

Look, I understand everyone's willingness to jump the gun here. But you shouldn't use your personal feelings or passions about this war and about this administration as evidence of a crime. Things like this happen all the time, especially in a war zone. Personally, I hadn't even heard of these seven soldiers nor had I heard of their opinion piece until now. I hardly think that these men presented such a threat to the war effort or support for the war that they had to be murdered. How about we wait for some evidence? How about we wait for those who survived this accident (or murder) to tell us how this all went down?

I think some ATS members' willingness to automatically assume the worst, no matter how far-fetched or unlikely it may seem and regardless of there being any evidence to support their opinions, is becoming a huge turn-off for myself and others who participate in discussions here. We're supposed to be denying ignorance, and that applies both ways. I'm sure if we took a poll right now of those in this thread who believe that these men were murdered by orders of the government/military, most of them, if not all, would describe themselves as anti-war and anti-Bush. Now before the Rasputin13-bashing begins, let me state that I know there is another side to this coin. It's safe to assume that those who don't believe these men were murdered are mostly pro-Iraq War and pro-Bush, but I don't think it would be to as great a number as the "anti" crowd.

Since I consider myself a realist and someone who tries to be honest in all aspects of life, I feel the need to state the obvious. And that is that I am in favor of the war in Iraq and that I am a Republican. While I support our President, there are a lot of things that I don't agree with that he's done and a lot of things that I outright disagree with him for. I should also say that I am leaving open the possibility that these soldiers were in fact murdered for their public criticisms of the war. But I would prefer to at least see somekind of evidence. A vehicle flipping over in a war zone with casualties is just not that uncommon-enough of an occurrance for me to start screaming "conspiracy!". And I can tell you all with a straight face and a promise that I would display the same kind of scepticism regardless of who was in the oval office, Republican or Democrat. I am not a full-fledged republican or conservative. I vote based on the issues and I am liberal when it comes to some things. After all, I believe in UFO's and Bigfoot, so I must be somewhat liberal!

Look, the last thing I want to do is jump down the throats of my fellow ATS'ers. I really do love you guys, and I love this site. I just wish that more of you would try and put your politics aside when trying to determine the facts of a situation. I just wish that those who oppose this war and oppose this president were less consumed with such hatred and anger. It really is disturbing, because I rarely see the same kind of name-calling and hatred and anger coming from the other side. Yes, there are exceptions, as there are with just about anything. But its not the pro-Bush and pro-war crowd that is clogging this site and spewing hatred with every chance they get.

I don't want to hijack this thread or turn it into a political debate. That is not my intention. I just wish that when we have these kinds of discussions/debates on here that we suspend any political motives or personal beliefs (as best we can, and where it applies) when it comes to pointing fingers or casting blame. I just wish that when it came to our military, and even our President, that we didn't automatically assume the worst despite any evidence to support such assertions. There isn't always a conspiracy, no matter how badly you want to believe there is. The fact that many of you think Bush is the anti-Christ does not make these poor soldiers the victims of an orchestrated "hit". And should any evidence arrise that these men were, then I'll be the first one in line to admit it.



posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 03:38 PM
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Originally posted by Rasputin13
Yeah, because there aren't any strange deaths or "suicides" surrounding the Clintons.
If anything, there's been a decrease since Bush has taken office....

....I just wish that when we have these kinds of discussions/debates on here that we suspend any political motives or personal beliefs (as best we can, and where it applies) when it comes to pointing fingers or casting blame.


But you just did.

Nobody doubts the million Arkancides that took place.

Peace



posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 03:49 PM
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Interesting that you would open your post with a comparison to mysterious deaths during the Clinton years. That pretty much puts the rest of your post in the partisan piss puddle.

The name calling and hatred spewing coming primarily from the left comment is laughable, as well. Watch O'Reilly and Hannity for me tonight, will ya? Also, have you ever gotten so fed up with something unjust or someone perpetrating an injustice that you can do nothing but spew vitriol? (I know you have, and it didn't take much, either.) That has become the right-wing's latest whiny, hand-wringing complaint about the left, too. I say, hey, they asked for it.

I appreciate you leaving the possibilty open this was more than an "accident". That's downright moderate of you. Thanks for keeping an open mind.



[edit on 13-9-2007 by Icarus Rising]



posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 04:16 PM
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Originally posted by worldwatcher
btw did you notice that another soldier from that group is also dead? Three in all!!



www.abcnews.go.com...
Another of the authors, Staff Sgt. Jeremy Murphy, was shot in the head while the group was working on the article.


coincidences, synchronicity, random?

I don't know but I think the mother deserves a full investigation regardless of what the predetermined outcome will be.


I agree. I'd thought the other deaths were from friendly fire, but in light of this new information, I'm beginning to wonder. I hope the mother gets a report... and if not, maybe it's time to write one of the presidental candidates or our local senators and start asking for her to be given a better explaination.



posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 04:16 PM
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Shades of Pat Tilman. Tilman had come to believe that the Iraq war was at best misguided.

Need I remind people (or tell people here who are too young) that fragging (tossing a grenade into a tent of a soldier or officer that you did not like) was a common practice during Vietnam?

These soldiers had the courage to stand up and say what needed to be said and now one is seriously wounded after being shot in the head and 2 are dead. The other 4 better watch their asses.

The man who spilled the beans on Abu Graib has been threatened so many times now he had to retire from the army national guard and cannot go home now thanks to the threats.



posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 04:19 PM
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Originally posted by DocMoreau
reply to post by St Udio
 


Are you sure about the pen names?

The War as We Saw It


Buddhika Jayamaha is an Army specialist. Wesley D. Smith is a sergeant. Jeremy Roebuck is a sergeant. Omar Mora is a sergeant. Edward Sandmeier is a sergeant. Yance T. Gray is a staff sergeant. Jeremy A. Murphy is a staff sergeant.


Everyone should actually read their Op-Ed...
DocMoreau


I agree. Their article was very sobering, and I was touched at the end about their loyalty to a cause that they clearly saw was flawed and full of problems.



posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 05:04 PM
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What all this is going to do is give a signal to the rest of the military community that if the talk against the war in Iraq and any wrong doing they will face the same fate.

That is what I see from all this.

Is too obvious that is just outrageous.


[edit on 13-9-2007 by marg6043]



posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 05:14 PM
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Originally posted by Areal51

Originally posted by Gools
Interesting.

I guess how you feel and what you think about this depends on how strongly you believe in coincidences... or not.
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Yes, well, if a third person associated with article is killed then you can bet that I won't chalk it up to coincidence. As it is, I'm already reading it as a threat to any other servicemen who might be considering coming forward about conditions in Iraq.


A third one has been shot in the head.

www.halturnershow.com...

I know it's from Hal's site. I'm trying to find where he got the story from.



posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 05:33 PM
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Originally posted by Byrd


I agree. I'd thought the other deaths were from friendly fire, but in light of this new information, I'm beginning to wonder. I hope the mother gets a report... and if not, maybe it's time to write one of the presidental candidates or our local senators and start asking for her to be given a better explaination.


I hope she demands a civilian autopsy as soon as the coffin hits the tarmac.



posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 07:45 PM
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I posted this already elsewhere but it follows the thread topic here.

On Aug 30 right around the b52/nuke thing two soldiers died mysteriously

A Weapon Specialist from fort Bliss, right next to white sands missle test range, ran into the desert and died of a single gunshot to the head, after he buried his amunition in the desert and left a note, "I have to take care of something, I wont be coming back" At that time Fort Bliss was also where a rotation for one year deployment of AA in DC was being deployed from.

Also An Airforce Captain who last was heard from on Aug 30 was found dead in a rented car in the Oregon Cascades.

msnbc article Fort Bliss Soldier
www.msnbc.msn.com...

Air Force Captain was in Oregon.
www.localnewsdaily.com...



posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 09:29 PM
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OH please....Stop...Stop...Stop...Why why go to the degree that you do...war is hell, and why do you want to desicrate the graves of the warriors...Cmon, they were in harms way, sh*t happens and they were part of destiny...Try to play this to the 82nd at the battle of the Bulge. This is war people, because they are printed in the news means they are not protected in the field.



posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 10:18 PM
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There is not yet enough information to support a Theory. It would be too cruel to the Family to imply one without proof. Some questions don't have answers.

How did the truck manage to run off the bridge? What caused it? Who was driving it? Did an IUD cause it? I'm not trusting a Print Reporter as they are too biased to write a reliable article. I find it amazing that the original OP article did not give those details. Basic reporting requires them. Omitting facts and lying are generally the same thing. I'll stay open minded on this one though. Pretty fishy smelling



posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 11:06 PM
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I'm as likely as anybody to question the official story in any given situation, but consider the way soldiers have to drive over there...

The way they drive isn't really safe in a minivan or a pickup truck, nevermind a 5-ton truck. They have to maintain a speed that's very close to unsafe, and they have to maneuver erratically to confound the IEDs, rockets, and snipers.

I agree that the mother should pursue the truth, for her own peace of mind, but I don't think the coincidence of three dead soldiers/authors qualifies as proof of conspiracy.

I've read a number of times that the defensive driving techniques adopted by American troops often proves dangerous. Admittedly, those stories were in the context of complaints from Iraqi civilians, saying the Americans were a menace on the roads, so the stories could easily have been exaggerated, but nonetheless it's something to consider...



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