"As scientists run their biggest race, the U.S. falls hopelessly behind Europe."

The very future of sciance and its military aplication is with in reach of Europians, not Americans.

www.thetrumpet.com...

What a disappointment. I (among many others) was saying this for years while seeing our educational system go down the drain.

While our student are preoccupied with student loans, mounting debt and elaborate ways to cheat the system in order to get that degree by any means necessary, real science happens else where.

I remember stating it in many of abovetopsecret posts only to be ridiculed, while the facts are at hand, as a nation we are quickly loosing the ability to produce qualified professionals.

With out being involved in 21st century science, there will be no cutting edge weapon development, just as the trend of the last decade and a half has clearly shown.

After repeated failures and expenditures of enormous budget NASA was forced to simply BUY test data for the hypersonic X-43A from the Russians (Holod), and even then they couldn’t make it work right. And that’s peanuts compared to the cutting edge physics research like what’s been done at CERN.



Sad but true, as a nation we got fat, stupid, lazy, spoiled and indiffirent, all while the rest of the world does not just stand by to watch us get entertained by silly TV shows.



Reality is now, and we’re not in it, we’re busy getting intrertained

I'm glad Europe is starting to take the lead in this but if I were you I'd start by electing a different president instead of the warmonger you currently have.

my 2c

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Its intentional. Your government are very aware of it, and its in fact one of their goals to dumb down people, because they dont want you to be able of critical thought.

Sorry, but if you want it to get better, you need a president that invests in your country instead of the military. I also read a article yesterday about 23.000 bridges or so across america being really dangerous, because your government havent bothered to maintain them despite engineers asking for it for many years.

Ron Paul 2008, thats what you need.

You know, it still amazes me that nobody really mentions fusion technology when people talk about environmentally friendly power. Ask any hippy and its all solar and wind power and yet I believe Fusion technology is probably the most feasable energy source for the future.
Could it be that its related to nuclear power and that scares the hippys?
Thats my theory anyway, I just find it frustrating that technology like this doesnt seem to share the spotlight as much cause of them god damn hippy's.

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Tonka, the hippies have no power any more, at all, anywhere. It is our govt. and the apathy of the bourgeois class. Our Pres. Bush despises science.
Besides that, fusion is in it's infancy and is still experimental, we don't even know that it will work.

This is what happens when the govt puts all its money into building bigger and better weaponry, we fall behind in other respects.


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So funny! Everything problem that the US is having is Bush's fault
It doesnt matter if he has absolutely nothing to do with whatever or wherever the problem is, it is still his fault..
Give me a break

As far as the topic goes. You know it isnt absolutely necessary for the US to be the leader in every single category.
I dont believe that this signals the downfall of American
civilization.

Well its been working for the past half a century or so.. does TOKAMAK ring any bells?

Its not a matter of if just when, the theory behind it is well and truely proven, read these there rather interesting
JET Fusion Reactor
ITER second phase fusion reactor
Demo: Third phase, first commercial fusion plant

Also it concerns me that your avatar is bright pink. This leads me to the conclusion that you yourself are a Hippy and deliberately trying to spread disinformation about fusion power. God Damn Hippy's!!!

Right and while everyone bickers about how bush screwed us out of fusion No one even bothers to talk about the bush admin slashing geothermal research to the bone!!

Which UNLIKE fusion could be helping us next year if we started putting serious effort into it right now. And UNLIKE fusion or solar or otherwise Geothermal can improve the efficiency/ generating capacity of our current infrastructure with geotap aided retrofits. Which if we are going to switch to even light plug in hybrid use we NEED right NOW not 10 YEARS from now.

But please feel free to keep bickering about why high end particle physics leaving the US is the end of the world... Especially considering NO GOVERNMENT ON EARTH will give each small town a fusion plant EVER!! But geothermal which works Just about EVERYWHERE humans live on the planet and can be implemented at least partially without any further research and could become a major major contributor of not only energy but clean water and, IF integrated into factory settings requiring heat or heat byproducts, could substantially decrease said electrical power demand in the first place!!

Oh and all of that is beside the point that geothermal power would be a way for people to take back the income the energy CARTELS have sucked out of the populace for the last couple of centuries.

But please keep crying about a supercollider that WON'T do A DAMN thing for most people alive today except suck unending amounts of money out of some other sucker taxbase for awhile. Meanwhile we can just take up crying to the media about how the other countries won't share their research and academic institutions and we can go to school in your countries for awhile .... HAHAHA think about that for a second a bunch of SNOTTY College Age CoEd's infesting Europe en perpetuity!! LOLOLOL we WIN

I'm happy in US. Who cares about Europe, they are increasingly irrelevant and their cowardice will one day shame their reputation as nations of appeasers.

Plus, Apple is innovating enough as far as I'm concern.

Plus plus, we have Area 51.

It probably has to do with the fact that it would be rather difficult to make a weapon of mass destruction out of a wind mill and solar panels.



Yeah well, those “god dammed hippies” proved a 100% “of the grid” house concept all by them selves simply by actually building them, which by default makes them the enemy of the “Energy Empire”.



Humm, I’m pretty sure that his signatures on the bills that repeatedly cut funds for education kind of makes it his fault.

Look it up.



Let me put in perspective for you.

Before WWII Japanese scientists were tasked with developing energy weapons, and instead of concentrating their resources on the atomic bomb as some sugdested, they chose to concentrate of microwave “death ray”.

Do you remember what happened to Japan in the end?

Just to remind you, Germany and Britain also had their own nuclear projects.

Nuke theory was conceived in the beginning of the 20th century, and right now we’re exactly in the same cycle of the 21st century, but this this time around WE are the ones dumping resources into useless wars, while Europeans invest into science of the future.

Many of us think that we did.

I am sure they have many countries working together on this project, they have 7,000 scientists and 700 are from the US.




It is an international project, not a European one.

Good post equinox, you beat me to it. What is it with people, they read one article do no more research and thik they know what's going on.

America is NOT losing the arms race...no other country could half-way afford to spend what we do per soldier.

Furthermore, there are two major flaws w/OP's analysis in re the LHC:

1. The United States may be the biggest single funder of the LHC
2. It is unclear whether or not the LHC will ever have any military applications.

i. This has .. nothing to do with the arms race. It is only vaguely applied here.
Furthermore, any belief that the entire EU will be able to keep a coherent military-applicable science to itself is fool-hardy at best.

ii. No. No country good, but.. that's besides the point, and sounds like blustering..

iii. Remaining points work. No problem with 'em.

Just to clarify: Sorry, I meant fusion as a clean energy source. AFAIK, it hasn't been done yet, yeah?

Hey, for all you know I'm a very flambuoyant gay man

Thanks for the links, I will check them out. But this doesn't mean they have actually utilized fusion as an energy source yet, as I understand it.

That is absolutely true. No other people in the world are DUMB enough to spend $24 for EVERY plastic lunch plate, and somehow see it any other way but SHEER FLEECING.

Our soldier is truly the MOST expensive soldier in the world, simply because we're BEING ROBBED BLIND, like SHEEP GET SHEERED. Halliburton anybody?



“May be”? Such funding is only a way to BUY a place at the table. That way we get to have 700 of our people on the program. 700 out of 7000? Do the math.





Are you aware of what “God particle” actually is?


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Well gee then I guess everyone else has smaller seats. Your argument is illogical. So why should the US spend even more money building one themselves when they can get the same benfit out of putting in a fraction of the money. And you talk about waste, pfft.