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Originally posted by CyberSEAL
Originally posted by mattifikation
A nuke would collapse our stock market. The level of fear would be insane. Bush is stupid, but not so much that he doesn't realize he needs a country with a sound economy to wage war against half the Middle East.
Actually a lot of research has pointed to the possibility that Bush is trying to purposefully destroy the American economy in an effort to bring our nation under the control of a new North American Union. The NAU is being actively discussed in congress, you knew that right? The money spent on the war in Iraq supports this theory...
Originally posted by DIRTMASTER
The minute that i read that the UAF mistakenly loaded nukes onto the b52 i smelled trouble. i formerly worked in nuke security for the USN on submarines and i know the policies and structure as the entire program is dictated by the UAF.. nuke warheads and weapons are stored separate from standard non nuclear weapons! you don't just grab the wrong one and put it on the plane. they also don't get moved without a whole team of people inspecting it, surrounded by people with loaded guns. i know i was one of the gun holders and part of those teams.. direct visual accounting of each nuke weapon is multiple checks every hour of the day 24/7. you don't just take 5 or 6? nukes and nobody notice until hours later at the receiving instillation. IS THERE A MISSING WARHEAD OUT THERE I AM BEGINNING TO WONDER!, and the cover-up stinks. but this is just me ranting!
This sounds to me like Albany, NY. Elliot Spitzer, Hillary Clinton, Rudy Giuliani..
Originally posted by PokeyJoe
That is just not true, in the case of this particular weapon system. The ACM is stored with the active warhead in it.
Originally posted by DJ-Zodiac
How do I know this? Nostradamus.
Originally posted by franzbeckenbauer
Originally posted by PokeyJoe
That is just not true, in the case of this particular weapon system. The ACM is stored with the active warhead in it.
That's as maybe, but it still doesn't get around the fact that no service personnel on this planet are going to mistakenly load missiles with nuclear warheads onto a plane mistakenly. Firstly, they wouldn't mistakenly get out of their store in the first place without authorisation from the very highest level. Secondly, if they weren't already aware they were going to be loading nukes, any loading crew worth their salt would have stopped and asked some pretty serious questions before proceeding with loading. Military personnel may be unthinking drones in lots of ways, but certainly not where personal responsibility is concerned! The Loadmaster at the very least would have questioned why they were loading nukes, and this question would have gone up the chain of command - UNLESS there was valid authorisation AND the massive amount of paperwork to back it up...
Originally posted by PokeyJoe
Well I know that I am not a "unthinking drone" in any sense of the word, and I take great offense to that, but anyways....
They were supposed to be taken out of storage...they were being decommissioned...the warheads were supposed to be taken off before they were loaded on the plane. There were 12 total, and 5 that were active...
I agree with you though, there were some very very deep security violations, and I am sure the whole squadron probably got an Article 15, at the least. I already explained in a previous post the system that they follow, and more than one person dropped the ball....for some reason I want to chalk this up to bored, careless Airmen, more than nefarious government plot to overthrow the world, but thats just me...
Originally posted by mattifikation
Uhhrighhhttt.
Without the backing of an economically powerful United States, any "NAU" would be utterly impotent. It would be like the collapse of the Soviet Union, except it would decrease the number of countries instead of increasing it.
A major hole in your theory also exists in the fact that dozens of European nations came together to form the EU, and it doesn't seem to have required any of those nations nuking themselves in order to make it happen.
Anyways... I'm STILL waiting for the gap between a missing nuke and America blowing up one of its own cities to be filled by some sort of evidence. So far, we don't even have one of these mysterious "anonymous sources" supporting that idea.
And **IF** you all are right, and somebody in America is planning to nuke ourselves, NO we do not need more anonymous sources coming forward. NO we don't need to send a bunch of unfounded emails to news organizations which only discredit ourselves. NO we don't need to spread fear-mongering and wild conjecture across the Internet just to watch people go "omg wer'e gonna die!!"
No, that's not what we need. IF you are right, and that's a big if, we need proof to be uncovered, useful and CREDIBLE information to be released to the public, and action to be taken to STOP the plot. In other words, we need somebody who is respected and trusted to come right out, put his life and career on the line like a true patriot, and expose the real threat so that World War Three can be avoided.
Originally posted by darksky
IF these nuclear devices really are about to get dropped on a US city, wouldnt it be best to do it as fast as possible before people start investigating what actually happened?
I mean, when (IF) it actually happens, its easier to let the guilt fall on somebody else, considering the panic a nuclear bombing would lead to. People wont be sitting by they computers discussing it when hell brakes loose i would think.
Just my thoughts.