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Originally posted by insite
This may seem stupid and I may not have the intelligence to comprehend this thread but here's my two cents on it anyway:
So if energy has been around for eternity, you cannot measure time when energy has been around an infinite number of units? That still doesn't explain how we can see energy changing states over time all around us right here on Earth. Is that not what time really is but a measure of the way energy changes over time? If we do have time, and time is infinite (as you well illustrate nothing can exist if we have infinite time behind us) who's to say that we are not just at some point in the infinite? I don't see how that point is so illogical. Yes there is inifinte time behind us, but we are merely the present state of energy in its infinite life.
Energy has been around forever, I agree. But it is always changing shape/texture/whatever else we cannot perceive. Can't you just believe in the entirety of it? We have eternity behind us, but that is just because there was no beginning. We can measure time with the way energy changes over its units of length. The fact that there was no beginning, IMO, is trivial.
I look forward to your enlightenment.
Originally posted by ArchAngel
Time is uni-directional. It only moves forward. Therefore there must be a beginning. The proof is entrophy. A reverse would require the addition of energy to obtain the former higher energy states. As you stated you cannot get something out of nothing.
But that there is a begining does not mean there needs to be an end.
Infinity lies in our future, not our past.
Originally posted by groingrinder
Your use of the word "eternity" in your argument implies lots and lots and lots of "time". In face you cannot explain the concept of "eternity" without referring to "time" somewhere in the explanation.
Originally posted by specialasianX
what causes us to percieve time is simple... its a simple explanation to explain things... the same reason we have god any various superstitions... to give us the illusion that as humans we really understand... which we dont...
i agree time doesnt exsist but i feel the explanation is alot more complex than what you have posted but i believe our minds cant comprehend the logic... yet.. one day our brains will evolve to understand the complex reasonings behind time... or lack thereof... great post man!
Originally posted by Pisky
I have always known that 'Time' was invented by people in order to give semblance of order to their lives. They based their concept of time on the movement of the celestial bodies and seasons of the earth.
'Time' itself is a created concept and not something that can be proved to exist. In fact, lilblam has proved the opposite. It does not exist, it just 'appears' to exist.
Hence it is an illusion.