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reply posted on 3-8-2007 @ 12:32 AM by johnlear
Originally posted by defcon5


How can I prove it? Very simply…
Are the landing gear up or down?

If the gear were up then there is no pod in the fairing area. If there was a pod attached to that area of the aircraft then the landing gear would not have been able to retract as the pod would have been in the way. So if the gear was up, there is absolutely no way that any pod was attached to the wing root fairing area of the aircraft. Period!!!



The pod comes in three section as all aircraft pods in that area. Usually the payload is in the front, the portion that is over the landing gear door is just fairing and has nothing in it. when the gear extends that portion of the pod, which is empty goes with it. It is actually a part of the door itself.The aft portion can have electronics or can be empty. To minimize the drag on any type of pod it has to extend the length of the wing root otherwise it would create unwanted turbulence.

As to the flash…
First off you have a small point of impact for a lot of energy, correct?
What ways are some methods of radiated energy? How about: Heat, Noise, light…That is not to mention that an aircraft builds up a electrical charge when flying, as its completed insolated from the ground.


All aircraft have extrremely efficient static wicks which eliminate all electrical charge instantly unless in clouds. And there were no clouds.

Oh, also guess what is in the nose of that aircraft?
Something like this:

You have any idea how much microwave radiation that thing is putting out?
Ever see what happens to tinfoil when you put it in a microwave?
(For the kiddies at home, don’t try it).


It was a clear day, there would have been no reason to turn the radar on.

But hey, thanks for the input. We always appreciate the latest scuttlebutt from the ramp coffee shop.


reply posted on 3-8-2007 @ 02:10 AM by defcon5

The pod comes in three section as all aircraft pods in that area.

Show me such a pod, especially one connected to a commercial aircraft.
The thing you're referring too sounds exactly like the wing root fairing…


All aircraft have extrremely efficient static wicks which eliminate all electrical charge instantly unless in clouds.

Funny that folks have been shocked by aircraft even after the gear grounds have touched solid surfaces. This is why aircraft are required to be grounded before fueling, and why some airlines such as AC or BA require a grounding cable attached as part of the "marshalling in" sequence.


It was a clear day, there would have been no reason to turn the radar on.

I have seen one turned on accidentally by maintenance while sitting at the gate. Supposedly, though I cannot prove this, the radar is in some way connected to the gear retract, and in order for maintenance to work on them it is required that they pin the gears and throw the retract lever. They did this because they could not trust the pilots to turn them off on landing, and it can make the ramp crews ill working in front of the dish. If the original pilots had it turned on then there is no reason to suspect that the guys behind the wheel at the end had turned it back off again. Why would they bother with it anyway?

That is if its even possible to turn it on and off, as again its supposedly turned on/off when the gear retract.

BTW I mean the dish itself john not the instrument in the cockpit.


We always appreciate the latest scuttlebutt from the ramp coffee shop.

At least I can prove that I worked on aircraft, unlike someone I know who could not tell me the hand signal for “emergency cut engines” or “engine on fire”. Maybe you should have had more coffee with the ramp/maintenance department, then you’d know some of this stuff that a even a flight engineer is required to know.

Heck i'd even buy you a coffee john...

[edit on 8/3/2007 by defcon5]



reply posted on 8-8-2007 @ 07:08 PM by ULTIMA1
Originally posted by defcon5
I did a bit of searching on the topic of static electricity in aircraft, because I know John is correct about the “Static Wicks”, and yet I am correct about aircraft retaining a charge after landing


Did you do any researchn on the following.

www.faa.gov...
7-5-11. Precipitation Static

a. Precipitation static is caused by aircraft in flight coming in contact with uncharged particles. These particles can be rain, snow, fog, sleet, hail, volcanic ash, dust; any solid or liquid particles. When the aircraft strikes these neutral particles the positive element of the particle is reflected away from the aircraft and the negative particle adheres to the skin of the aircraft. In a very short period of time a substantial negative charge will develop on the skin of the aircraft. If the aircraft is not equipped with static dischargers, or has an ineffective static discharger system, when a sufficient negative voltage level is reached, the aircraft may go into "CORONA." That is, it will discharge the static electricity from the extremities of the aircraft, such as the wing tips, horizontal stabilizer, vertical stabilizer, antenna, propeller tips, etc. This discharge of static electricity is what you will hear in your headphones and is what we call P-static.

b. A review of pilot reports often shows different symptoms with each problem that is encountered. The following list of problems is a summary of many pilot reports from many different aircraft. Each problem was caused by P-static:

1. Complete loss of VHF communications.

2. Erroneous magnetic compass readings (30 percent in error).

3. High pitched squeal on audio.

4. Motor boat sound on audio.

5. Loss of all avionics in clouds.

6. VLF navigation system inoperative most of the time.

7. Erratic instrument readouts.

8. Weak transmissions and poor receptivity of radios.

9. "St. Elmo's Fire" on windshield.

c. Each of these symptoms is caused by one general problem on the airframe. This problem is the inability of the accumulated charge to flow easily to the wing tips and tail of the airframe, and properly discharge to the airstream.

d. Static dischargers work on the principal of creating a relatively easy path for discharging negative charges that develop on the aircraft by using a discharger with fine metal points, carbon coated rods, or carbon wicks rather than wait until a large charge is developed and discharged off the trailing edges of the aircraft that will interfere with avionics equipment. This process offers approximately 50 decibels (dB) static noise reduction which is adequate in most cases to be below the threshold of noise that would cause interference in avionics equipment.

e. It is important to remember that precipitation static problems can only be corrected with the proper number of quality static dischargers, properly installed on a properly bonded aircraft. P-static is indeed a problem in the all weather operation of the aircraft, but there are effective ways to combat it. All possible methods of reducing the effects of P-static should be considered so as to provide the best possible performance in the flight environment.

f. A wide variety of discharger designs is available on the commercial market. The inclusion of well-designed dischargers may be expected to improve airframe noise in P-static conditions by as much as 50 dB. Essentially, the discharger provides a path by which accumulated charge may leave the airframe quietly. This is generally accomplished by providing a group of tiny corona points to permit onset of corona-current flow at a low aircraft potential. Additionally, aerodynamic design of dischargers to permit corona to occur at the lowest possible atmospheric pressure also lowers the corona threshold. In addition to permitting a low-potential discharge, the discharger will minimize the radiation of radio frequency (RF) energy which accompanies the corona discharge, in order to minimize effects of RF components at communications and navigation frequencies on avionics performance. These effects are reduced through resistive attachment of the corona point(s) to the airframe, preserving direct current connection but attenuating the higher-frequency components of the discharge.

g. Each manufacturer of static dischargers offers information concerning appropriate discharger location on specific airframes. Such locations emphasize the trailing outboard surfaces of wings and horizontal tail surfaces, plus the tip of the vertical stabilizer, where charge tends to accumulate on the airframe. Sufficient dischargers must be provided to allow for current-carrying capacity which will maintain airframe potential below the corona threshold of the trailing edges.

h. In order to achieve full performance of avionic equipment, the static discharge system will require periodic maintenance. A pilot knowledgeable of P-static causes and effects is an important element in assuring optimum performance by early recognition of these types of problems.



reply posted on 8-8-2007 @ 07:27 PM by johnlear
Originally posted by ULTIMA1


Did you do any researchn on the following.

www.faa.gov...
7-5-11. Precipitation Static



Thanks ULTIMA1. Didn't have to. Military airplanes are inspected twice a day and 3 times on Sunday. Particularly a Boeing 767-300 that was about to be used for an important mission.

But even if it wasn't, 50 decibels of static electricity does not translate to a bright flash to the right side of the nose of the airplane onto the World Trade Center.

Thanks for the post.

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