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Originally posted by WestPoint23
For the tanker and cargo role this design would be ideal as it offers greater payload as well as more efficiency. Although I cannot see a BWB tanker or cargo aircraft reaching IOC in the next decade.
Originally posted by MrKnight
A BWB has less moving parts, and is a simple design. The time to engineer, manufacture and develop a BWB will be less than that of a tube and wing design.
Originally posted by MrKnight
Since Boeing is already using the X-48B to use as a test flight aircraft, and they have already have done extensive research useing wind tunnels, it is only a matter of funding to develop a size slightly larger that can be used for commercial freighter and military purposes.
Originally posted by MrKnight
There have already been reports that Boeing is getting customers for a BWB, and if there is additional interest from the military, it will not be long until a version is in production.
Boeing is working with two potential customers to define a commercial freighter variant of its blended wing body large transport aircraft
Originally posted by MrKnight
I doubt that the BWB that will first go into service will be the 1,000 passenager version, as it will take alot of time to develop a model that size.
A modest 100 to 150 foot wingspan BWB that can fill the role of a small military freighter could be likely by 2015 - 2020.
Originally posted by Darkpr0
Good to hear that this long-touted project is going forward, but I'm afraid that I've got to cast some of my own concerns out into the open.
IMHO, I don't think that this design will work properly with the airport infrastructure currently in place. And I really do hate to cast a shadow on such a fantastic, unique idea. The sheer wingspan on one of those aircraft has got to be enormous. So how will it fit at an airport? Not just at the gate, but on a runway. Will the runways have to be widened to fit this mammoth aircraft? If they do, it could be an unfortunate speed bump in the path of the BWB.
Also, how well can the wings flex? I know that we have plenty of modern materials and composites capable of handling stress, but going along with the idea of a huge wingspan, how will this beast react to turbulence? In such an aircraft you'd have to have large support beams or a complex inner skeleton, but this takes away from space necessary for other things. Passenger space will undoubtedly be the big one with airlines.
But, I suppose we should wait til this thing has had larger scale tests to be sure about how it will turn out.
Originally posted by kilcoo316
What part of a BWB is easier to manufacture than a conventional tube and wings?
Yeah, only a few billion dollars...
It would be a bigger undertaking than the A380 and B787 put together.
It means Boeing are asking them what size they would like it to be (in terms of volume:payload), how big and where the doors go etc etc
Any passenger versions of BWB will be 2030 or so (if even).
Originally posted by MrKnight
All you are looking at is the outside design, but you are not taking intoconsideration all the the internal structure, and all of the control surfaces and parts that go into a tail of an aircraft.
Originally posted by MrKnight
The body of a BWB will not be any differnet to make than having differnt types of molds for the upper and lower surfaces, alomse of flat surfecs with slight bends in them. Then they will be put together over a very simple frame.
Originally posted by MrKnight
Dr. Liebeck has also stated the preliminary desings show that around 30% fewer parts will be required. I have heard him state similar thing in recent siminars.
"The plane also would require about 30 percent fewer parts to make and emit less noise and pollution, Liebeck said. Another advantage is that the design can be easily scaled so that a plane could be made seating as few as 200 passengers or as many as 800."
Originally posted by MrKnight
Every new aircraft takes billions to develop. But I doubt that a small blended wing will cost as much as the B787 and A380 together.
Originally posted by MrKnight
I have seen reports that both the A380 and 787 have each cost between 10 to 15 Billionto develop. A 200 Passenager sized commercial cargo / millitary freighter would not take 30 Billion to develop. I would put the cost for a C-130 sized military / commercial freighter at 3 to 5 billion.
Originally posted by MrKnight
A very attractive risk for that particular market given future trends for military replamcement market ofr that size, and the fuel saving of a BWB for a commerical freighter.
Originally posted by MrKnight
Please give a round of applause for "Captain Obvious"! Of course that is what is going on. This would not be going on if Boeing was not serious, and if the potential customers were not taking it into consideration.
Originally posted by MrKnight
Only time will tell. But smaller BWB's wil not have some of the issues that a larger one would have. 20 - 30% fuel saving with increased rang and payload will make a BWB a hard thing to pass up for an airliner.
Originally posted by TheoOne
Interesting.
I have a question, how fast can it go? What's the max speed?
Could you provide me details such as speed, weight, etc. in list? Thanks!
The X-48B's three turbojet engines will allow the 500-pound, composite-skinned, 21-foot wingspan prototype to fly up to 120 knots and 10,000 feet in altitude during flight testing.
Originally posted by MrKnight
Keep in mind that this is with the larger version. As you can see it is only about half as long, so it will take up less hanger and ramp sapce.
Originally posted by MrKnight
The full size model has escape provisions all along the back edge, and on both sides/forward leading edge. You can also place escap hatches on the top and bottom.
All early simulation show no problems in this area. Evacuation will be just fine.
Note: Item 11 in picture, and leading edge surface access on the dark blue area (Item 13)
You could place 3 to 4 on either side and the entire aft end.
Originally posted by RichardPrice
None of those would pass the current FAA FAR Part 25 requirements, the aircraft would not be certified for civilian passenger use.