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Originally posted by BO XIAN
It was an absurd analogy. It was off the wall to begin with. It was useless as an illustration to begin with. It could not apply in anything remotely in the same galactic cluster as sensible and fitting. I thought that was obvious.
Originally posted by neformore
Which refers to Boznia and has nothing to do with Iraq, and as such has no bearing on this thread, which is dealing with a supposed situation there.
Those who claim to oppose war but who are not prepared to resist warmongers by force of arms if necessary can in truth neither create peace nor protect human rights.
neformore
I am currently trying to verify your story of children being run over and kiled and people asking for cows as recompense. I'm sure there will be appropriate records in the UN archives. Maybe you haev some links?
Again, not really to do with the topic, but I see the point you are trying to make...
Due to obstacles to reporting from the emergency region, the program of village destruction has gone underreported in the Turkish and world press. In July 1997, then Deputy Prime Minister Bulent Ecevit announced that 3,185 settlements had been completely or partially depopulated since fighting broke out in the region in August 1984. This has not been an orderly evacuation procedure, but a punitive measure, frequently conducted with considerable brutality, and villages are still being cleared. The exact number of displaced is unknown because no independent group has been able freely to conduct research in the region. In any case, hundreds of thousands of Kurdish villagers from the southeast have been displaced to shanty-towns throughout Turkey.
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The only reason I was interested in this thread, is because of the atrocities...people are not helped if we deny it or them, automatically.... there are still real people that suffer real things. And these things we can't just ignore, and say they are not true.
I know it was a bad analogy but it made the point.
You can't believe in it cause its just not right,
well same goes for me and this story of the baked kids.
The story from Yon is absurd and OFF THE WALL as well.
More cases of terrorists 'baking' children cited
Yon, who has earned widespread respect as an independent journalist, reported that Iraqi officials told him about al-Qaida terrorists baking children and serving them to their families.
He confirmed independently to WND that an Iraqi official had recounted for him instances in which the terrorists would bake a young boy, then invite his family to have lunch, with the baked child as the main course.
Officials with the Barnabas Fund, an international Christian group working to help persecuted Christians, particularly those in Muslim-majority contexts, then confirmed Yon's report aligns with one of their own reports about such an atrocity
Originally posted by Rasputin13
Something tells me that if this same source had said that American soldiers were feeding Iraqi children to their families, you would give it a lot more credibility.
Why is it that those who are anti-America, anti-Bush, anti-war, etc. (bear in mind I am not accusing any particular person of being any of these. I'm speaking in general terms here) will gladly accept information from even the most unreliable of sources, so long as it supports their personal beliefs/agendas? I've seen the most obscure and illegitimate websites, newspapers, etc. being quoted on here with stories bashing the US, the military, the war and so much more. But if someone on here posts a story that speaks well of the above mentioned people/nation/military from a reputable news organization like the AP, Reuters, CNN, then everyone calls it propaganda.
This is the ultimate in propaganda, and i'll have to see the roasted kid to beleive
Originally posted by dgtempe
i also know they value their lives and live in families and try to live their humble lives as best they can. I have an Iraqi in-law and i know his parents and they are loving, peaceful people who just want whats best for their family and the world.
People cooking children in microwaves, for one. Humanity is lost.
But it is not confined to AL QAEDA.
What i'm saying is that humanity as a whole is LOST and not all that is bad is AL CIADA
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The issue has come into focus following a report from Michael Yon, a Special Forces soldier now in Iraq to report on the successes there
Yon told WND he reported what he was told – no more or less. "Perhaps it's urban legend. I have no idea. But my reporting was spot on. ... I quoted someone and offered zero opinion," he said.
Many non-Muslims are obviously very well-meaning with regard to Islam, but they are also extremely naïve and ignorant of the facts. They seem to think that Islam is just another religion of love and peace and Muslims should be given full freedom to practice their religion. Do they also believe that thieves, misogynists, rapists, child-molesters and any and all manner of practicing evils should be given complete carte blanche to carry on with what they value and believe? These well-meaning poeple are just as deluded as the fanatic jihadists by refusing to acknowledge the fact that one cannot be a Muslim and not abide by the dictates of the Quran.
There is no such thing as moderate Islam. There is no such thing as secular Islam or a secular Muslim. It's the nature of the faith to deny any separation of religion and the state or religion and society. There are numerous sects within Islam. One and all are extremes and not in the least amenable to change. Keep in mind that Islam claims that it is the perfect eternal faith for mankind. Splits have occurred and will continue to occur in Islam. Yet, reformation has not happened in nearly 1400 years and is not going to happen. Islam is carved in granite, just the way it is. No change. Allah's book is sealed.
There are indeed some Muslims who are moderate in the way they practice their religion. These people, for the most part, are culturally Muslims. They don't practice Islam the way it is mandated. They pick and choose. Therefore, "moderate Islam," is no Islam at all. It is not possible.
(Amil Imani is an Iranian-born American citizen and pro-democracy activist residing in the United States of America. Imani has been writing and speaking out for the struggling people of his native land, Iran. He maintains a website.)
Many non-Muslims are obviously very well-meaning with regard to Islam, but they are also extremely naïve and ignorant of the facts. They seem to think that Islam is just another religion of love and peace and Muslims should be given full freedom to practice their religion. Do they also believe that thieves, misogynists, rapists, child-molesters and any and all manner of practicing evils should be given complete carte blanche to carry on with what they value and believe? These well-meaning poeple are just as deluded as the fanatic jihadists by refusing to acknowledge the fact that one cannot be a Muslim and not abide by the dictates of the Quran.
Originally posted by neformore
So when presented with a counter argument where the source himself acknowledged that the original story may be an urban legend, the argument gets changed huh?
Bo Xian:
Many non-Muslims are obviously very well-meaning with regard to Islam, but they are also extremely naïve and ignorant of the facts. They seem to think that Islam is just another religion of love and peace and Muslims should be given full freedom to practice their religion. Do they also believe that thieves, misogynists, rapists, child-molesters and any and all manner of practicing evils should be given complete carte blanche to carry on with what they value and believe? These well-meaning poeple are just as deluded as the fanatic jihadists by refusing to acknowledge the fact that one cannot be a Muslim and not abide by the dictates of the Quran.
What a total crock of rubbish.
I mean, like Christianity doesn't have these things and is better?
The point the guy was trying to make could have been made without the inclusion of the thieve, misogynists..... part but no, its there because it subconciously drags the image into the mind that all muslims are those things by openly comparing those traits to the muslim belief system.
No! CHRISTIANITY HAS NEVER HAD SUCH A HISTORY. Your outrageous unwarranted and historically inaccurate biases are showing to the extreme max.