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Al Qaeda Serves Baked Boys To Their Families For Lunch

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posted on Jul, 8 2007 @ 10:31 PM
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to stumason




You have yet to show anything that would prove it otherwise.



I suppose it depends on one's definition of

ANYTHING.

and of

PROVE.

1. I've noted that I've searched all the SNOPES type debunking of URBAN LEGEND sites I can find . . . AND NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM HAS A SINGLE WORD DEBUNKING IT. That's pretty telling.

2. I've noted a FREEPER friend who's cousin related the story to his family 2 MONTHS AGO--BEFORE it had surfaced in any form even with Michael Yon, as far as I understand it. The cousin related an understandable detail about the tough Iraqi's being shaken to the point of retching.

3. I've also posted added evidence that Michael Yon is a top flight reporter not likely given to knowingly posting falsehoods.

I realize you may not be a psychologist or sociologist of sufficient experience to be able to well or accurately make assessments of such reports in order to give them anything near their proper weight. But not all of us lack such experience and training.




posted on Jul, 8 2007 @ 10:38 PM
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THERE WAS NO AQ IN IRAQ, NOR ANY SECTARIAN VIOLENCE,INCLUDING KIDNAPPING AND MURDER, PRIOR TO THE US LED INVASION IN 2003, ESPECIALLY IN 1991 WHICH THE ORIGINAL ARTICLE CLAIMS



I believe that to be LARGELY A WHOLESALE FALSEHOOD.

Certainly it is a VERY GROSS OVERSIMPLIFICATION slipping and sliding by a lot of facts.

1. Saddam took over the sectarian violence and formalized it as government policy--i.e. his whims.

2. He exterminated anyone else who dared to intrude on his monopoly on such horrors.

3. His rise to power as well as the regime before him had plenty of sectarian violence.

4. Perhaps you've been reading a Main Stream Puppet Masters Media version of that history--white-washed and propagandized to suit their duplicitous tyrannical Machiavellian and lying purposes.



posted on Jul, 8 2007 @ 11:04 PM
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Same with the claim you made about WMD's going to Syria. What an effing joke



More evidence follows . . . clearly documenting that the above assertion is much more in the realm of SUPPORTING IGNORANCE than DENYING IGNORANCE.

(11) AP Writer Ignores Evidence of Iraq WMD ^

From:

www.freerepublic.com...

Stating in part:


A recent article by Pulitzer-winning AP writer Charles Hanley entitled “Half of U.S. still believes Iraq had WMD” builds a not so subtle argument: those who believe Saddam Hussein still had WMD need to get fitted for tin foil hats.

He begins the piece with a reasonable question “Do you believe Saddam Hussein had WMD in 2003?” What follows is an examination of possible reasons why fifty percent of American’s said yes:
experts see a raft of reasons why: a drumbeat of voices from talk radio to die-hard bloggers to the Oval Office, a surprise headline here or there, a rallying around a partisan flag, and a growing need for people, in their own minds, to justify the war in Iraq

Notice that the most reasonable conclusion as to why half of Americans answered in the affirmative is not posited by Hanley; that coalition forces did in fact find WMD in Iraq.

Munitions Found in Iraq Meet WMD Criteria, Official Says



(12) Turf war keeping lid on evidence of WMD in Iraq? ^

From:

www.freerepublic.com...

Stating in part:



Turf war keeping lid on evidence of WMD in Iraq? By KATHLEEN PARKER

If you thought Democrats and Republicans were politically divided over the war in Iraq, you haven't seen anything yet. The real battle apparently is being waged under the radar between the White House, the intelligence community and Congress. ADVERTISEMENT

At the center of the current skirmish is a newly unclassified document released last Wednesday that seems to confirm evidence of WMD in Saddam's Iraq, including both degraded and possibly lethal chemical agents.

According to the document, coalition forces have recovered some 500 weapons munitions since 2003 that contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agents. Other key points are that these chemical agents could be used outside Iraq and that "most likely munitions remaining are sarin- and mustard-filled projectiles."





(13) U.N. "Disarming" Iraq from WMD while allowing them WMD???

From:

www.freerepublic.com...



My subject title doesn't make sense, does it? How coud the U.N. be disarming Iraq from WMD while allowing them WMD at the same time. Is there a 4th dimension of space that I am not aware of?

Chemicals allowed for export to Iraq by other countries:

- Sodium Cyanide
- Hydrogen Cyanide
- Phosgene


Well golly, gee-whiz... those chemicals are WMD with a world history of being used as chemical weapons. The U.N. is a complete joke! They are looking for chemical weapons while allowing Saddam to purchase chemical weapons! Yeah, that's the ticket! Makes good sense to me!





(14) Ex-Officer Spurned on WMD Claim (Claims he found 4 sealed WMD bunkers and was rebuffed) ^

From:

www.freerepublic.com...



A former special investigator for the Pentagon during the Iraq war said he found four sealed underground bunkers in southern Iraq that he is sure contain stocks of chemical and biological weapons. But when he asked American weapons inspectors to check out the sites, he was rebuffed.

David Gaubatz, a former member of the Air Force's Office of Special


(Excerpt) Read more at nysun.com ...



(15) WMD--THE DEMOCRAT BETRAYAL (EAT THIS HARRY REID! YOUR OWN PARTY SAID SADDAM HAD WMD BEFORE W. DID!) ^

From:

www.freerepublic.com...



DEM OFFICIALS HAVE WARNED ABOUT WMDs IN IRAQ FOR YEARS

Former President Bill Clinton:

President Clinton: "We Have To Defend Our Future From These Predators Of The 21st Century. They Feed On The Free Flow Of Information And Technology. They Actually Take Advantage Of The Freer Movement Of People, Information And Ideas. And They Will Be All The More Lethal If We Allow Them To Build Arsenals Of Nuclear, Chemical And Biological Weapons And The Missiles To Deliver Them. We Simply Cannot Allow That To Happen. There Is No More Clear Example Of This Threat Than Saddam Hussein's Iraq. His Regime Threatens The Safety Of His People, The Stability Of His Region And The Security Of All The Rest Of Us." (President Clinton, Remarks To Joint Chiefs Of Staff And Pentagon Staff, 2 /17/98)

President Clinton: "Earlier Today I Ordered America's Armed Forces To Strike Military And Security Targets In Iraq... Their Mission Is To Attack Iraq's Nuclear, Chemical And Biological Weapons Programs And Its Military Capacity To Threaten Its Neighbors ..." ("Text Of Clinton Statement On Iraq Attack," Agence France Presse, 12/17/98)




I don't think I'm going to get very far into the wealth of material documenting the facts on this side of reality, tonight. I have a couple more links to post than I need to get to some other priorities.

I'm also sorry I haven't been able to respond to a number of posts that have . . . elbowed me or sought my responses. I still hope to do so in the coming week. Will see.

In terms of documentation on the WMD thing . . . this is just a fraction of what's available. FREEREPUBLIC also has lots of FIRST HAND FREEPERS who were in IRAQ and gave first hand reports of the true realities there--quite often very contrary to what the Puppet Masters' Main Stream Media scripts read as.

Cheers.

The truth will win-out eventually. How long so many will swallow the globalists' party line remains to be seen. Of course, it's difficult since the globalists are so skillful at playing all sides against the middle--and so good at co-opting all sides.

There was some significant evidence that the White House under W Bush was squelching or at least not speaking of and not being responsive to abundant evidence that would exonerate Bush's statements about WMD's and other related Iraq issues. Some researchers tried to find out from White House contacts why the White House seemed so loathe to take advantage of the abundant evidence that was known--around the beltway so to speak--even by the more informed media folks--but was contrary to the scripted Main Stream line.



posted on Jul, 8 2007 @ 11:07 PM
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Continuing the bit about why the Bush White House refused to take advantage of abundant evidence exonerating Bush's statements about WMD's and other Iraq facts . . .

The researchers tried to get some insight and even statements from contacts within the White House why the above was the case and had been so for so long--when giving air time to the evidence would be such a boost and support to Bush. Why give in to his enemies such a freebie etc.

As I recall, the researchers could never get a single White House source to answer that question much at all. They just refused. It's still something of a mystifying puzzle.



posted on Jul, 9 2007 @ 03:59 AM
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Ah. Freerepublic. Such an unbiased website



quoted from the statement of the founder of freerepublic
Therefore, we wholeheartedly support the Bush Doctrine of pre-emptive strikes on known terrorist states and organizations that are believed to present a clear threat to our freedom or national security. We support our military, our troops and our Commander-in-Chief and we oppose turning control of our government back over to the liberals and socialists who favor appeasement, weakness, and subserviency. We do not believe in surrendering to the terrorists as France, Germany, Russia and Spain have done and as Kerry, Kennedy, Clinton and the Democrats, et al, are proposing.

As a conservative site, Free Republic is pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-Constitution, pro-Bill of Rights, pro-gun, pro-limited government, pro-private property rights, pro-limited taxes, pro-capitalism, pro-national defense, pro-freedom, and-pro America. We oppose all forms of liberalism, socialism, fascism, pacifism, totalitarianism, anarchism, government enforced atheism, abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, racism, wacko environmentalism, judicial activism, etc.



Me quoting the 9/11 commission and the CIA was a laughable source... yes ok.

Multiple links from one site with a right wing balance do not prove anything other than to confirm your own political beliefs.


[edit on 9/0707/07 by neformore]



posted on Jul, 9 2007 @ 09:18 AM
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Multiple links from one site with a right wing balance do not prove anything other than to confirm your own political beliefs.



I find the assertion above to be EXCEEDINGLY UNINFORMED--It would appear that the site was checked out with eyes closed.

1. Evidently the multiple OFF-SITE SOURCES for my links were not checked out.

2. FR posts a wealth of liberal articles to better understand and debate them. The off-site articles I posted were consistently supporting the perspective on the WMD's that I own. The off-FREEREPUBLIC articles EACH STANDS ON IT'S OWN MERITS. FREEREPUBLIC was merely the best site on the web for quickly finding such a collection of articles.

3. AVOIDING dealing with the points and merits of each OFF-FREEREPUBLIC ARTICLE is an EXCEEDINGLY

CHEAP SHOT, weak non-argument, foolish strategy, glib cheekiness--to me.

4. This is another example of the liberal idiocy of DAMNED IF ONE DOES AND DAMNED IF ONE DOESN'T. It is DEMANDED of a conservative to offer quality sources verifying a perspective. FIFTEEN QUALITY DIVERSE SOURCES ARE FOUND--collected together--logically--at a conservative website--and rather than consider each article and source on it's own merits, the audacity is demonstrated via incongruous outrage that a conservative person would seek out confirming articles from a conservative website.

What a surprise.

I've only been a member here a couple of years or so . . . Is this the general level of insight and logic here? I'm used to a different level at FR.



posted on Jul, 9 2007 @ 09:40 AM
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Me quoting the 9/11 commission and the CIA was a laughable source... yes



Yes, I find the puppet master constructed 9/11 Commission about as credible as the Warren Commision on the JFK assassination.

Clearly material for Rolling On The Floor Laughing Out Loud and Guffawing To The Max.

Then for weeping at the mangling of the public consciousness the resulting disinformation fosters.



posted on Jul, 9 2007 @ 10:26 AM
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TO ALL,

Am going to split off the WMD aspect of the thread to a more appropriate forum. So will post the additional documentation about such on the new thread when I can get to it.

I'll post a link to that thread here. It may not be for a number of hours.

Cheers.



posted on Jul, 9 2007 @ 12:59 PM
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ALL:

Rush Limbaugh braudcast about an hour ago--Michael Yon's reporting of the baked boys.

The naysayers will not tend to believe the facts . . . however and independent research firm has verified that Rush's listening audience is the

BEST INFORMED

of all audiances of all media in the nation . . . by a significant margin.

Certainly Rush

HATES to be wrong--loathes it--has hired a crack team to check facts out before he broadcasts them.



posted on Jul, 9 2007 @ 01:03 PM
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are you serious?

quit capitalizing words at random, first of all. it makes you sound like rush limbaugh.

and secondly, no, rush limbaugh is not a magical wellspring of truth and honor. if you believe otherwise, this whole story is pretty much invalidated.



all of the propaganda coming from the Right here on ATS reads like the # the Germans published against the Jews in 1939.



posted on Jul, 9 2007 @ 01:24 PM
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To The Parallelogram




quit capitalizing words at random, first of all. it makes you sound like rush limbaugh.



Perhaps it MIGHT be wise to take the sharp perceptiveness in for a checkup. The ALL CAPS are NOT random. But then again, it may not have anything to do with dusty perceptiveness at all. Perhaps the dictionary needs modernized. I realize that liberals are prone to defining the world in their image and DENYING FACTS that don't fit. But that's not really the topic of this thread.

I don't recall hiring you as my writing coach, judge, jury and executioner. I've written the way I write since at least 1961. Perhaps you might check and discover that that was before the public internet by quite a margin. I expect to continue to write as is my custom. You are more than welcome to put me on permanent ignore.

If folks consider it a sign of my sounding like Rush Limbaugh--I'd be honored. He's markedly more informed than, evidently, the majority of folks hereon. And, an independent research organization has scientifically verified that his AUDIENCE IS MARKEDLY BETTER INFORMED, WELL READ ETC. THAN ANY OTHER MEDIA AUDIENCE. So, I consider the perspective above on Rush Limbaugh to be a brazen example of a low level of awareness of the facts.




and secondly, no, rush limbaugh is not a magical wellspring of truth and honor. if you believe otherwise, this whole story is pretty much invalidated.



The illogic of the above statement doesn't strike me as greatly worthy further comment.




all of the propaganda coming from the Right here on ATS reads like the # the Germans published against the Jews in 1939.


Actually, I was in charge of the university Special Collections Library--wherein we had an unusual collection of such materials. And, my boss had the world's best private collection. As something of a minor expert on the topic, I assure the reader that the above assertion is utterly false hogwash.

However, there is an era similarity . . . Chamberlain in Britain . . . others who denied that the rumors of the death camps were true . . . the naysayers' comments hereon really do sound like the appeasers and defenders of Hitler of that era.

Actually, the vast bulk of conservative posts hereon are simply factual reporting. The propaganda is fairly wholesale almost the exclusive monopoly of the flaming liberals hereon.


[edit on 9/7/2007 by BO XIAN]



posted on Jul, 9 2007 @ 01:48 PM
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are you saying Republicans tell the truth and Democrats lie?

thanks, that's all the debate I needed!

[edit] to clarify, you're a nutjob.

[edit on 9-7-2007 by The Parallelogram]



posted on Jul, 9 2007 @ 02:01 PM
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are you saying Republicans tell the truth and Democrats lie?

[edit] to clarify, you're a nutjob.

[edit on 9-7-2007 by The Parallelogram]



Thanks for your forum rules violating brazen assault on my sanity. Thankfully, I wasn't all that concerned about your vote on that issue.


In answer to your question . . .

No, I do not think that the DEMs lie and the GOP doesn't. I think they have BOTH been lying rather extensively in support of the globalist NWO puppet masters agenda for decades and worse since Billary's era.

I see the DEMs as eager to rush us to a globalist tyranny at the speed of light and the GOP more willing to take the bullet train.



posted on Jul, 9 2007 @ 02:01 PM
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are you saying Republicans tell the truth and Democrats lie?

[edit] to clarify, you're a nutjob.

[edit on 9-7-2007 by The Parallelogram]



Thanks for your forum rules violating brazen assault on my sanity. Thankfully, I wasn't all that concerned about your vote on that issue.


In answer to your question . . .

No, I do not think that the DEMs lie and the GOP doesn't. I think they have BOTH been lying rather extensively in support of the globalist NWO puppet masters agenda for decades and worse since Billary's era.

I see the DEMs as eager to rush us to a globalist tyranny at the speed of light and the GOP more willing to take the bullet train.



posted on Jul, 9 2007 @ 02:11 PM
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Bo Xian,don't you know Al Qeada is far to kind,its absured to even suggest they would even consider such an act..You and i are crazy,and did u know sectarian violence wasnt started until we invaded Iraq?muahaha



Oh btw all politicians lie,its pretty much fact

[edit on 9-7-2007 by Project_Silo]



posted on Jul, 9 2007 @ 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by The Parallelogram
all of the propaganda coming from the Right here on ATS reads like the # the Germans published against the Jews in 1939.


You know, thats exactly how I see it too.

Its damn scary.



posted on Jul, 9 2007 @ 04:26 PM
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Originally posted by BO XIAN
Rush Limbaugh braudcast about an hour ago--Michael Yon's reporting of the baked boys.


Again another link leading back to the same source.
A man who heard from someone who heard from an interpreter,
I guess that makes it a fact.

If that is the case ......I heard from someone that heard from someone that
we will be closing our boarders to all and charging the illegals here double taxes, then after 7 yrs of civil service they become citizens of the USofA

Does that make it true? Even if I spread it around and others post it on the net or the news (but it all comes back to me as the source) Does it make it true , a fact?



posted on Jul, 9 2007 @ 04:57 PM
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A man who heard from someone who heard from an interpreter,
I guess that makes it a fact.



I'm going to pretend, at least, that the above was not a deliberately false statement.

The facts as stated originally on Michael Yon's website and blog are that the interpreter was interpreting . . . an Iraqi source reporting to officials in a meeting Micahel Yon was at.

In THE PROCESS OF INTERPRETING FOR THE IRAQI SOURCE (A SOLDIER, as I recall). the interpreter (overwhelmed with what he was having to interpret) paused and was silent--then when asked why, continued the interpretation to the officials and Michael.

The ridiculous assertion above makes it sound like the interpreter was mumbling between beers at the local bar and was overheard to tell a tall tale. THAT IMPRESSION, ASSUMPTION

IS the tall tale in all this.

But, at least, it continues to confirm my assessment of the assumptions of that perspective.

BTW, there's another comment surfaced . . . perhaps on Michael's blog today, if I remember correctly . . . of another incident of a mother's boy being served to her--cooked and on a bed of rice quite some time ago.

But I really understand.

Allowing one's self to realize that such horrors were real . . . even common place to a degree--just variations on an extremely brutal theme that plays every day in such regions . . .

Allowing one's self to realize that such horrors are real . . . would mean that one's assumptions were flawed . . . INDEED . . . WRONG!

And what other assumptions might be wrong? Perhaps I'd have to change my lifestyle and quit doing some crazy, dangerous, immoral or whatever things that I enjoy doing now. That's intolerable.

So I'll hang onto my assumptions, regardless of the facts. It's easlier that way.

= = =

Until the chickens come home to roost . . . or, as Maya Angeleau says . . . until harvest time.



posted on Jul, 9 2007 @ 05:15 PM
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I know horrors can be real,
I have seen many in my life,

ALL I am saying is STILL it is only coming from ONE persons website.

This news has been out for several days now right?
Yet not one Freelancer is picking up on it also and making it public?

I will admit I am wrong when I see more then just one source of info.
That is what I'm looking for.

When I read a news article I say to myself

* What are the positives and negatives?
* Is it fair and balanced, or bias?
* Are all viewpoints represented?
* Does the story come from more then one source, if not why?



posted on Jul, 9 2007 @ 05:19 PM
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What Evilbat said, plus the fact that absolutely zero evidence has been produced for their being AQ in Iraq in 1991 conducting kidnappings and murders.

I'm still waiting on that, by the way. Other posters attempted to sidetrack that very issue, but at the end of the day, have still produced naff all evidence of it taking place in the early 90's.



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