What Hijackers? Show me please.

It baffles my mind that people come on a conspiracy forum about 911 to side with the official story......

I got some advice for you people who demonstrates huge monumental conflicts of interests by even being signed up on a conspiracy theory site.

Don't sign up for a forum that you have absolutely 0 interests in the theme of the forum... Or else you guys just seems like dis info junkies and trolls... seriously.

This CONSPIRACY THEORY forum is not a place to come to insult conspiracy theorists... it's a place to discuss conspiracy theories.... if you come on here and just bash conspiracies you are just a troll pure and simple....

The 911 forum is designed to talk about the theories of the events of 911, it's not to just blindly come in a thread and spout bull about how the official story is true.

Obviously if this forum's purpose was to support the official story of 911 there would be no need for a forum to talk about it in the first place....

You people are really starting to look like.............. flowers

[edit on 24-5-2007 by selfless]

Originally posted by selfless
It baffles my mind that people come on a conspiracy forum about 911 to side with the official story......

Its called debate!! If the only people who came onto this 911 Cult Forum were the delusional believers then how are you going to convert us Official Believing Sheeple? Or is that the fine debate (by people cleverer than myself) is beginning to rock the solid foundations of the 911 Fable? 911 Cultists should be more than hapy to take on people who don't believe the delusion. Where is the fun preaching to the converted?

Originally posted by selfless
Don't sign up for a forum that you have absolutely 0 interests in the theme of the forum... Or else you guys just seems like dis info junkies and trolls... seriously.

Personally I think the whole 911 Cult could be a Disinfo Campaign. It keeps the debate away from all those officials who were caught with their trousers down. Its a brilliant cover story

Originally posted by selfless
This CONSPIRACY THEORY forum is not a place to come to insult conspiracy theorists... it's a place to discuss conspiracy theories.... if you come on here and just bash conspiracies you are just a troll pure and simple....

So if you don't believe the 911 Cult you are a Troll? But it is OK for 911 Cultists to insult Official Believers? You people have power and control issues.

Originally posted by selfless
The 911 forum is designed to talk about the theories of the events of 911, it's not to just blindly come in a thread and spout bull about how the official story is true.

You might have a point there. You Cultists need a forum to discuss this crud...so you can get your story straight. There were planes or there were not planes. It was thermate no its 4th generation micro nukes. Come on there is as many CT theories as there are delusional 911 Cultists. Yet one official line. Its that fact alone that convinces me. There is no single CT theory out there...you guys argue amongst yourselves as much as you do the Official Liners...there again thats debate.

Originally posted by selfless
Obviously if this forum's purpose was to support the official story of 911 there would be no need for a forum to talk about it in the first place....

Whats up the official story debate beginning to rock the safe little world of 911 Delusion Land? Jeez. May I suggest that another purose of this forum is to keep the lunatics off the streets? I pop in this forum every now and then for a good laugh. The world ain't swallowing this #e. What is it less than 10% of the US think this fable is right? Guys I have no psychic powers or proof but I predict that you guys will go to your graves having not proven your point. If there were just one Cult theory that outshone the others it wouldstill be to complicated for the US to pull off. Christ you guys can't even get into a warzone without killing your allies, civilians and your own. A nation disorganised enough to bring us "blue on blue" on scale you guys do...in no way has the organisational skills to pull this fable off!!

Originally posted by selfless

You people are really starting to look like.............. flowers

At least flowers are in the light, plant food and fresh air. The 911 Cultists are in the dark and being fed with......what is it mushrooms are fed with

Originally posted by SteveR
Errrrrrrrrrr... why did the 7/7 bombers have a passport?

It was a rail bombing, and I thought they were living here as citizens.

Anyway, whatever, I will be watching closely for the facts.

Don't let me down

Not rail bombings, tube and bus. A lot of foreigners in the UK carry their Passports. ID is good if the filth stop you and some places it is a good means of ID as most others suck here. I carry mine quite a lot, a lot of places don't accept a Photo Driving Licence or ID card because they are easy to get, mind you Passports are quite easy too. I carry mine and I am 100% alpha male Caucasian. But if I were to purchase some services by cash I can be asked for a Passport as id. Hotels for example. I could turn up with my best cockney wanker accent "Ello guvnor wheres the jellied eels, apples and pears, frog and toad!!!" and some Hotels will ask for a Passport if I pay cash.

You say "living here" as if you live in the UK. I thought you were in the US running for President?

I must confess that I had not realised carrying a Passport was suspicious. I understand that in these "cells" certain Passport details are used as a means of inter-cell verification that the bloke in front of you, is who he says he is and not a "spook". PLus these people are quite mobile. They know they could be being watched, carry your cards and passport at all times and you can change your plans at a drop of a hat. If you don't carry them and you think that the authorities are onto you why waste time going home and picking up documents? Don't make sense. The problem is we don't understand the terrorists mindset. They are operating at a completley different level to us. Their reality is totally and completely different from the wider world reality...something I am sure the 911 Cult would know something about

These are people that go out to Madras in the Indian Subcontinent where if they don't follow Imans instructions they can be beheaded. Even the 911 Cult ain't that strict

Anyway I don't think I take a man too seriously who welcomes our "Star Brothers" Mr R the exchanges between you and Menguard "The light that shines binds the light of the cosmos" are very entertaining. In fact why are you here asking questions...surely Menguard has all the answers...yeh right thought so....

There is no god,

Why do you even bother coming on this 911 forum at all?

You obviously dislike conspiracy theorists... so why on earth are you on a Conspiracy Theory Message Board?

Some of you people's conflict of interests is beyond me, it's almost like you are paid to come on here to disrupt information or you just have a whole lot of time to waste.

Originally posted by there is no god
Its called debate!! If the only people who came onto this 911 Cult Forum were the delusional believers then how are you going to convert us Official Believing Sheeple?

I have no intentions to change what cannot be changed.

I don't come on here to change your mind buddy, i come on here to talk about conspiracy theories... you know.... only what this forum was designed for....

Why are you on here? To troll? because think of it this way,

Go on a Vegan message board to talk about hunting and you are a troll.

Go to a conspiracy theory forum to bash conspiracy theories and you are a troll.

Perhaps you need to look up the concept of a troll.....

Originally posted by there is no god
So if you don't believe the 911 Cult you are a Troll?

But it is OK for 911 Cultists to insult Official Believers? You people have power and control issues.

No you are just twisting words around like a class A troll.

I am not saying you can't be allowed to believe the official story but you don't have to come in here and insult people who are trying to get to the truth.

I personally stay out of the religious forums because i don't want to offend religious people.... You should do the same with 911 don't you think?

Your motives can be nothing else then to be a troll if you go into a forum just to cause turmoil.

Originally posted by there is no god
You might have a point there. You Cultists need a forum to discuss this crud...so you can get your story straight. There were planes or there were not planes. It was thermate no its 4th generation micro nukes. Come on there is as many CT theories as there are delusional 911 Cultists. Yet one official line. Its that fact alone that convinces me. There is no single CT theory out there...you guys argue amongst yourselves as much as you do the Official Liners...there again thats debate.

Well if this is crud like you say then why are you even here????

Yes you are right that truth seekers don't have one theory blindly believed, it's called research.

Originally posted by there is no god
I pop in this forum every now and then for a good laugh.

Yes, you just proved my point extremely well....

You pop on this forum for a good laugh, this means that you like to cause turmoil.

This means that you are a troll and I am not afraid to call you out on it because it's the truth, you just said it your self.

Moderators, please take notice of this guy admitting his trollish intentions and consider banning him please.

[edit on 25-5-2007 by selfless]

Selfless, i don't know about other people but i'm getting sick to death of you trying to dictate the terms of discussion. You consistantly call people trolls who post opinions different from yours, knock it off already...

I don't care much for CT'ers to be honest, but i do care about history being either ignored or rewritten by people with agenda's, like you.

You seem to think you've got the answers to everything regarding 9/11, the quality of your posts would say otherwise.

I'll probably get slated for this, or even warned, i couldn't care though, if being here means i have to put up with your constant attempts at making personnal remarks about peoples motives then i'd rather be banned.

People like you bring no value to great forums like this



[edit on 25-5-2007 by Steel Penguin]

Selfless-

Way to derail the thread! You honestly would want to come to a forum with no debate?

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4. the Forum, the forum in the ancient city of Rome. dictionary.com

Maybe if you can't deal with people disagreeing with you, this is the wrong place for you. Your posts have inspired me to not only post more frequently, but to do more research against the truth cult. Thanks!

[edit on 25-5-2007 by PartChimp]

No i was talking about people insulting conspiracy theorists which is what the forum is designed for....

And yes I am sick of people who come on here just to troll because if you go on a message board just to insult what it STANDS FOR then you are just a troll.

And yes it's just my opinion and i won't let this go on with out letting it know how i feel about it.

Originally posted by Steel Penguin
Selfless, i don't know about other people but i'm getting sick to death of you trying to dictate the terms of discussion. You consistantly call people trolls who post opinions different from yours, knock it off already...
[edit on 25-5-2007 by Steel Penguin]

And I am sick to death of trolls but not saying everyone who believes the official story is a troll however everyone who insults others for thinking 911 was an inside job is a troll pure and simple.

I don't care if you think 911 was not an inside job but obviously this forum is meant to talk about conspiracies, is it not?

However, people who come on here just to insult others because they are interested in conspiracy theories, they simply don't belong ( My opinion) If you can't understand that then i am at a lost.


[edit on 25-5-2007 by selfless]

I am not a troll and I will support what happened on 9/11, not the official story as conspriacy theorists put it. If you have a view, it is your job to convince others that your view is right, not berate them till they leave. This will accomplish 2 things.

1. Look like a hard headed left winger who hates teh government or

2. Showing that you do not have teh capacity to debate.

There is no official story, there is fact. if you think for ONE minute that if the Democrats thougth they could destory the GOP by finding one of those terrorists, they would have. Pelosi would pay to fly these 'suspected terrorists' who are still alive. Call Rosie and maybe she will bring them on The View.

This is not a conspriacy site alone, but a site that promotes the denial of ignorance. If you want to debate, lets do it.

Originally posted by selfless
And I am sick to death of trolls but not saying everyone who believes the official story is a troll however everyone who insults others for thinking 911 was an inside job is a troll pure and simple.

I don't care if you think 911 was not an inside job but obviously this forum is meant to talk about conspiracies, is it not?

However, people who come on here just to insult others because they are interested in conspiracy theories, they simply don't belong ( My opinion) If you can't understand that then i am at a lost.


[edit on 25-5-2007 by selfless]

But it's just fine for said conspiracy believers to insult everyone who believes differently from them right? Because it's happening just as much from them as it does from people that DON'T believe the conspiracies.

Originally posted by selfless
No i was talking about people insulting conspiracy theorists which is what the forum is designed for....

And yes I am sick of people who come on here just to troll because if you go on a message board just to insult what it STANDS FOR then you are just a troll.

If I'm not mistaken, what this is about is discussion about theories. Not the boosting of yours. People post opinions. Here's a theory. That theory is interesting. that theory sucks. Evidence. Counter-evidence. If you don't like what someone says, you have no more power over them than they over you, so ignore, calmly point out errors, opinion parading as fact, whatever, and move on to post a better case than theirs if possible.

Tho I agree it's annoying to have peple like their right from the Fox News HQ posting here, most everyone is being pretty reasonable IMO considering...

Originally posted by selfless
There is no god,

Why do you even bother coming on this 911 forum at all?

For the witty repartee and the absorption of knowledge from the intellectually superior 911 Cultists I come here for a laugh really. To be honest I come on here to see if the board is busy and if it is I know its safe to go outside because all the loonies are locked up in the bedroom "researching the truth".

Originally posted by selfless
You obviously dislike conspiracy theorists... so why on earth are you on a Conspiracy Theory Message Board?

Some of you people's conflict of interests is beyond me, it's almost like you are paid to come on here to disrupt information or you just have a whole lot of time to waste.

No conflict of interest here friend. Is it that you feel your safe little world threatened, like the loonies in an Asylum having their routine changed? Trying to deflect your attack by inferring that some here are dis-info agents is very poor my friend. It could be that the 911 Cultists are the ones paid to spout the CT line in order to cover up the administrations inadequacies. One thing ATS needs is the counter arguments. Not much of a discussion board site if the discussion is one sided. Personally I feel that the Cult gets more staff protection on ATS than any other boards.

Perhaps your right though. Let the site only cover the CT view, block and ban the Official Story Believers so eventually all you get is a core of a few thousand deranged, delusional CT folk. Then this 911 Cult nonsense will die in its insular little bit of cyberspace.

Originally posted by selflessI don't come on here to change your mind buddy, i come on here to talk about conspiracy theories... you know.... only what this forum was designed for....

Don't worry you wont change my mind.

Originally posted by selfless
Yes you are right that truth seekers don't have one theory blindly believed, it's called research.

Good research leads to one conclusion not many. Research also usually requires funds and experiments. Not a bunch of lonely guys sitting in their bedrooms trying to prove "the truth" on the internet..in between visiting "adult" sites. It could be that the 911 Cult is a cover for internet pornographers.

Harrys Wife: "What are you doing up there for hours on end Harry?"

Harry (pulling trousers back up) "Erm eer well I am researching the truth to bring down the evil Bush dictatorship...."

Harrys Wife "Oh is that so...I thought you were having a....."

As I see it all the Cult has is some electronic documentary evidence, which can be adjusted or used selectively. The 911 Cult fable is more difficult for my simple, feeble mind to assimilate than a few guys got lucky. Regarding the towers, I think that only a faithful replication of the events would prove it either way. But I cant see anyone putting up the dosh for that.

Originally posted by selfless
You pop on this forum for a good laugh, this means that you like to cause turmoil.

This means that you are a troll and I am not afraid to call you out on it because it's the truth, you just said it your self.

Moderators, please take notice of this guy admitting his trollish intentions and consider banning him please.

The truth you cant handle the truth!! I said I like a laugh not that I am a troll. If being a Troll means I don't have to join the 911 Cult then great I am a troll. Consider banning me by all means guys. All that means is I register another email and off we go again. Selfless, your 911 Cult has more than enough protection on these boards. But ATS needs big boards to get the punters in and the revenue generating. They need opposite views to generate "money".

I believe it is irrelevant in the real world. I suggest you Cultists have a walk outside and sniff the air. Its a beautiful world outside the bedroom.

selfless> I agree 100% with what your saying. It seems to me the mods. on this site could do alot better job of banning the dis-info agents so that the people that are really looking for the truth could do so without the thread getting hijacked.

There is no disinfo spread here. The people who fulfilled the operation on 9/11 died for a religious belief. You can find the martyr videos on the web. The only disinfo that is spread would be theories about repltilians controlling the demolitions on 9/11 to space lasers. That is disinfo because then other people actually believe it.

Stating that planes hit the towers piloted by men trained in the US is truth but it is hard to swallow. How could this happen? free enterprise, that is how. Anyone will do anything for anyone in the US for money. Stating that innocent people died on business trips or from jumping 80 stories to theri death. That is truth, not disinfo.

In the same breath, we are all entitled to our own assessment of events but you have to be ready to defend yourself and your views, not call a mod. Gloves come off in these forums and you better have a thick skin. god knows I have had to grow one.

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident." - Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860

Eckehardt Werthebach, former president of Germany’s domestic intelligence service, Verfassungsschutz, told American Free Press that “the deathly precision” and “the magnitude of planning” behind the attacks would have needed “years of planning.”

Such a sophisticated operation, Werthebach said, would require the “fixed frame” of a state intelligence organization, something not found in a “loose group” of terrorists like the one allegedly led by Mohammed Atta while he studied in Hamburg.

And I don't ever remember a time when a jihadist whom performed acts in the name of their God denied their act. In fact, I don't remember an attack that didn't immediately get claimed by a certain group.

But here we are supposed to believe that the biggest slap in westerners faces was denied by the "so-called" perpetrator?

“I was not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States nor did I have knowledge of the attacks. There exists a government within a government within the United States. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; to the people who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity. That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks … The American system is totally in control of the Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States.”

I'm not sold on the accusations from this link, but the evidence it stacks up should be read through by people who want all sides before making an opinion.

link

Secret service agency work by means of deception. Read this:

In 1954, Israeli agents working in Egypt planted bombs in several buildings, including a United States diplomatic facility, and left evidence behind implicating Arabs as the culprits. The ruse would have worked, had not one of the bombs detonated prematurely, allowing the Egyptians to capture and identify one of the bombers, which in turn led to the round up of an Israeli spy ring.

Some of the spies were from Israel, while others were recruited from the local Jewish population. Israel responded to the scandal with claims in the media that there was no spy ring, that it was all a hoax perpetrated by "anti-Semites". But as the public trial progressed, it was evident that Israel had indeed been behind the bombing. Eventually, Israeli's Defense Minister Pinhas Lavon was brought down by the scandal, although it appears that he was himself the victim of a frame-up by the real authors of the bombing project, code named "Operation Susannah."

On June 8, 1967, thirty-four fine young American boys died while defending the U.S.S. Liberty against a sustained air and sea attack by the armed forces of the State of Israel. Yes, during the Six Day War between Israel and the Arab States, the American intelligence ship USS Liberty was attacked for 75 minutes in international waters by Israeli aircraft and torpedo boats. Thirty-four men died and 172 were wounded.

Now we have an example of subversive warfare, which was deliberately meant to confused the population. This history alone would bring things into question, would you not agree? Not to be paranoid, but complete trust in anything, outside your spirit is dangerous.

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, the ancient Greek philosopher Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous information in the first place. Not surprisingly, this type of teaching didn't sit well with the ruling elite of Greece. Many political leaders throughout history have always sought to mislead the thinking of the masses.

Socrates was tried for "subversion" and for "corrupting the youth". He was then forced to take his own life by drinking poison. It's never easy being an independent thinker! Today, our ruling government/media complex doesn't kill people for pursuing the truth about the world (at least not yet!) They simply label them as "extremists" or "paranoid", destroying careers and reputations in the process. For many, that's a fate even worse than drinking poison hemlock!

If 9/11 turns out to be exactly what the CT's say, do not be angry at your country, be angry at the people who are exploiting it. Until then, rest easy knowing that people will always turn stones over out of instinct.

AAC

It's clear that they just grabed a bunch of people and showed them on the news as hijackers.

The mistaken identity mith.
Regarding the lists posted by delta boy.
The problem with the flight list of pasangers is that muslims did show up on that list but not the ones named as hijackers by the fbi.
So in conclusion we are back in to asking how did they come to the conclusion that all the names listed by the fbi are the hijckers.
Where did they get the names since it's not the names of the muslims on the flight list.






[edit on 26-5-2007 by pepsi78]

There is no disinfo spread here. The people who fulfilled the operation on 9/11 died for a religious belief. You can find the martyr videos on the web. The only disinfo that is spread would be theories about repltilians controlling the demolitions on 9/11 to space lasers. That is disinfo because then other people actually believe it.

Here let me quote you on that in my own version.

There is no disinfo spread here. The people who fulfilled the operation on 9/11 didint even know how to drive a car, most of them any way, they had problems comunicating in english , reading in english was imposible for them but against all ods for managing to fly the plane with controls in english they died for a religious belief holding the passangers hostege with plastic knives. You can find the martyr videos on the web. The only disinfo that is spread would be theories about repltilians controlling the demolitions on 9/11 to space lasers. That is disinfo because then other people actually believe it.





[edit on 26-5-2007 by pepsi78]

Originally posted by esdad71
I am not a troll and I will support what happened on 9/11, not the official story as conspriacy theorists put it.

I never said you were a troll esdad because you don't insult others.

Well, I never seen you insult others.

I was talking about people who comes on this forum just to insult conspiracy theorists and the conspiracy theories...

That's a troll.

[edit on 26-5-2007 by selfless]

Originally posted by there is no god

Perhaps your right though. Let the site only cover the CT view, block and ban the Official Story Believers so eventually all you get is a core of a few thousand deranged, delusional CT folk. Then this 911 Cult nonsense will die in its insular little bit of cyberspace.

You are completely blinded by your troll behavior.

I never said ban the people who believes the official story i said ban people like you who comes on here just to make fun of people on here.

You have said it over and over again on this thread your intentions of why you come on this board and it's amazing that you didn't get banned yet.

Maybe the mods didn't read your posts yet.

You prove my point every time you post.

You just insult and insult.

Well you are not even worth it, just a poor troll.


[edit on 26-5-2007 by selfless]