Imus on his knees begging

Originally posted by Simon_Boudreaux
My thoughts exactly! I don't see how being called nappy headed ho by someone I'm sure these girls have never even heard of can "scar you for life"
I see it as the girls looking to make some money off of it.

Would it be OK if it were your daughter? And how can you be sure that these "girls", these young female college athletes, have never even heard of Imus?

And, furthermore, legal judgements are TANGIBLE APOLOGIES that the court metes out to discourage repeat offenders like Imus from having a potty-mouth on the air, and I hope they sue his pants off! It's called libel!

Would it hurt your sensibilities to see the team members GET PAID? Is that what everyone is in an uproar about? Hating to see that, truth be told, these team members have a valid case against the "beloved Imus"?

Originally posted by CSIfan
Would it hurt your sensibilities to see the team members GET PAID? Is that what everyone is in an uproar about? Hating to see that, truth be told, these team members have a valid case against the "beloved Imus"?

So anybody who has ever been offended by somebody on the radio has a right to sue? Who's to say what kind of "potty-mouth" things can be said? Who? Where is the line drawn? You used the term jigaboo only a couple pages back, so you should probably get ready to shell out some cash...

Basically, racism is rooted in fear of the 'other'...and ignorance. Turn on the lights with education, discussion, debate...and a little dab of courage & open-mindedness.

Peace &
Good Fortune
OBE1

Originally posted by ImpliedChaos
I would just like to point out that when black ppl, mainly rappers say ho, they are referring to girls that act like ho's and do ho things. They are not calling black women who are succesful athletes hos ....

... Black women who are successful athletes and who are receiving a very good education. Well educated and successful women. Perhaps this combination frightens some men (Imus)???? Dunno. Could be.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I also doubt Imus meant to imply that these women had loose morals.

I dunno about that, BH. Isn't that what the word implies? A 'ho' is someone with loose morals. That exactly what he called them.

Originally posted by dbates
Essence Magazine has been running a series call "Take Back the Music" that highlights the problem of how rap and hip-hop portrays women.

Excellent! I'm very glad to hear that. Porn and much of the rap (and the videos from that rap), I have no doubt, cause many problems for women all over this country. When young impressonable boys/men view this stuff over and over .. and have it rhythmically pounded into their brains over and over .. it HAS to have some negative effect on how they treat women.

Originally posted by CSIfan
while everyone is busy defending Imus,

I don't think everyone is defending Imus. From what I have seen on TV, and the comments I've heard, and the posts I've seen .. more often than not people are very negative about him and/or his latest that he spewed. I don't have any polls .. but that's my observation.

Originally posted by 27jd

No offense intended, but you really are not in the position to speak for, or define the intent of all others because you share their skin color. I've never heard them specify in such a manner that they are not referring to successful women who do not do "ho things". You seem to be implying that ALL black men have respect for successful women, and none of them would call a successful woman a ho, I've known plenty of black men that would just call them a successful ho. Chauvinistic men have reffered to women in demeaning ways since the dawn of time, remember "broad" and such? Ho is just one of the words black men have chosen to do it, along with byotch, etc.

I NEVER said that I spoke for all black people. I have heard from rappers themselves that that is their meaning. example:

Snoop Dogg has issued a new warning: Don't dare to compare his lyrics
Admittedly, Snoop and some of his peers have called women "b----es" and"ho's" in their lyrics, but as the Dogg put it Tuesday afternoon (April 10), there is no parallel to what Imus said.

"It's a completely different scenario," said Snoop, barking over the phone from a hotel room in L.A. "[Rappers] are not talking about no collegiate basketball girls who have made it to the next level in education and sports. We're talking about ho's that's in the 'hood that ain't doing sh--, that's trying to get a n---a for his money. These are two separate things. First of all, we ain't no old-ass white men that sit up on MSNBC [the cable network home to Imus] going hard on black girls. We are rappers that have these songs coming from our minds and our souls that are relevant to what we feel. I will not let them mutha-----as say we in the same league as him."
source

I also never said that all black men have respect for women, I know that not all do. But Respectful, men and women who listen to rap are smart enough to that 'ho' isnt doesnt nesassarily apply to them when the hear it in a song. . Of course there are some rappers who when they say 'ho' they mean all women regardless, but that is not the average rapper.Imus knows damn well urban ppl dont listen to his station so, why would he use urban terms to be funny,When obviously noone but non-urban people found it funny b/c it was a racist joke.

Originally posted by ImpliedChaos
obviously noone but non-urban people found it funny b/c it was a racist joke.

Can I be a bit picky here ImpliedChaos? SOME non-urban people found it funny. From what I have seen on TV - most of us either found it to be or we ignored it because Imus is just a crass vile thing that we can't stomach.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by ImpliedChaos
obviously noone but non-urban people found it funny b/c it was a racist joke.

Can I be a bit picky here ImpliedChaos? SOME non-urban people found it funny. From what I have seen on TV - most of us either found it to be

or we ignored it because Imus is just a crass vile thing that we can't stomach.

You are right I should have said some b/c most didnt find it funny. i apologize

Originally posted by 27jd
So anybody who has ever been offended by somebody on the radio has a right to sue? Who's to say what kind of "potty-mouth" things can be said? Who? Where is the line drawn? You used the term jigaboo only a couple pages back, so you should probably get ready to shell out some cash...

27,
I'm a little smarter than Imus--I would never say it (jiggaboo) on public broadcast--and I would never publicly insult anyone, especially in the way that Imus did.

Actually, I have no need for the word "jiggaboo" except that it blended into my sentence so perfectly, and it was one of the words used on the Imus show, the words that inflamed many respectable AMERICANS of all races.

Here. take a look at this sentence:

FOR IMUS, THE JIG IS UP...HIS SPONSORS ARE JUMPING SHIP AND LEAVING HIM TO FACE THE MUSIC! (he's screwed)

Do you like that better?

Snoop Dogg has issued a new warning: Don't dare to compare his lyrics

"It's a completely different scenario," said Snoop,

... I will not let them mutha-----as say we in the same league as him."
source

And the rest of the article says

The rapper is scheduled to be arraigned Wednesday morning in Pasadena, California, on felony charges of sale or transportation of marijuana and possession of a firearm

When Snoop said not in the same league he wasn't kidding. Imus is only accused of saying mean things. We'll leave the guns and drugs to the rappers. It's great that we got Snoop's point of view on things. He's such a beacon of light for the black community.

Originally posted by ImpliedChaos
Imus knows damn well urban ppl dont listen to his station so, why would he use urban terms to be funny,When obviously noone but non-urban people found it funny b/c it was a racist joke.

Implied,

THERE YOU GO!

You just hit the nail on the head! God Bless Your Soul!
You have just found the key to the riddle...

YOU HAVE EXPOSED IMUS's INTENT WITH HIS SO-CALLED JOKE.

Thank you for that.

Of course, the mystery remains...who are these people who are defending him? Could these be the people who already know the joy of a COON JOKE? These "coon jokes" are usually uttered in private, but they love Imus because he has "the balls" to just spew his crap in public, and it appears that they will defend him to the death...

There is is! NAKED, the soul of a racist Nation, for all the world to see...

Originally posted by dbates


When Snoop said not in the same league he wasn't kidding. Imus is only accused of saying mean things. We'll leave the guns and drugs to the rappers. It's great that we got Snoop's point of view on things. He's such a beacon of light for the black community.

Who said he was a 'beacon of light' I was just trying to give you the opinion of a rapper (who by the way has done alot for the community), but take it as you will

Originally posted by CSIfan
Well, let's hope that Imus can recant tales of these women being WHORES when they take his tired old, loose-lipped behind to court for libel!

You obviously didn't read my post here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Whether it's true or not, what Imus did is NOT libel.

And please do read my entire post as I address several of your points. If you're going to quote me and talk directly to me, I'd appreciate it if you'd read my response.

"First of all, we ain't no old-ass white men that sit up on MSNBC [the cable network home to Imus] going hard on black girls. We are rappers ..."

So... now we're supposed to understand the difference? Snoop's a rapper and Imus is an old-ass white man? That's supposed to explain the difference?

Sounds like a double standard to me. What's good for the rapper is bad for the white man. Sorry, I'm not buying it, Snoop.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Whether it's true or not, what Imus did is NOT libel.

BH is totally right here, the words "ho" and "nappy-headed" are both very subjective terms.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic


So... now we're supposed to understand the difference? Snoop's a rapper and Imus is an old-ass white man? That's supposed to explain the difference?

Sounds like a double standard to me. What's good for the rapper is bad for the white man. Sorry, I'm not buying it, Snoop.

Lets Recap Then Please read the whole quote in its entirety ; then respond thank-you

"[Rappers] are not talking about no collegiate basketball girls who have made it to the next level in education and sports. We're talking about ho's that's in the 'hood that ain't doing sh--, that's trying to get a n---a for his money. These are two separate things.

Its not because he is rapper but because the girls he is referring to are doing ho things.

Originally posted by ImpliedChaos

"We're talking about ho's that's in the 'hood that ain't doing sh--, that's trying to get a n---a for his money. These are two separate things.

Its not because he is rapper but because the girls he is referring to are doing ho things.

Doing "ho things" like "trying to get a n---a for his money." That's not being a whore, that's trying to get someone for his money. We call that a gold-digger. Not a whore. A whore is someone who has sex for money. It's a slang term for prostitute.

My point is. Whatever is meant by the term, it's ok for a black man to call a woman the name (whether she is one or not) but it's not ok for a white man to do the same thing.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

My point is. Whatever is meant by the term, it's ok for a black man to call a woman the name (whether she is one or not) but it's not ok for a white man to do the same thing.

If a black man calls a female who does not do 'ho things' a ho, then NO its is not alright. Who said it was? Just like its not alright for Imus. But if Imus or a black man calls a woman who acts like a ho..a ho b/c she is then (its still kinda rude) but justified

Originally posted by ImpliedChaos
Its not because he is rapper but because the girls he is referring to are doing ho things.

"Ho things", yes we are all familar with those, I'm sure Imus is as well. He knows that when snoop refers to a "ho", he is referring to "ho's that's in the 'hood that ain't doing sh--, that's trying to get a n---a for his money", Imus had to have known that full well, yup. Imus also knows, Snoop "don't love them ho's" at all. In reality though, are you serious? Did you seriously post that as an educated opinion or commentary? Imus is an old man who was trying to sound cool and funny at the same time, he failed and it was a dumb thing for him to say, but there is NO WAY he knows that rappers are referring to, and I love this quote..."ho's that's in the 'hood that ain't doing sh--, that's trying to get a n---a for his money", since Imus is not in the hood all that often I imagine.

Thank you, Chaos.

So, it's ok (if rude) to call a ho a ho as long as she is one. And these girls aren't hos. I agree. There's no indication that they're hos. They're basketball players and college students.

There's also no indication that when rappers use the term they're talking about prostitutes. In fact, there are a lot that use this term for their own women and women they've broken up with or women who've cheated on them. They throw it around quite liberally.

Surely you're not saying that every time "ho" is mentioned in rap lyrics, they're talking about a prostitute...

IMO Imus did nto say this b/c he was trying to sound cool/or sound like a rapper. I'm pretty sure he doesnt listen to snoop. Snoops music isnt made for him, so thats why he doesnt get it. Imus is a grown man, and most GROWN men white/black know what is appropriate and what isnt.

ALSO IMO and from those that I have talked to and people that I know, and from listening to the music , a ho is someone who sleeps around regardless of getting paid for it

[edit on 4/11/2007 by ImpliedChaos]

Originally posted by ImpliedChaos
IMO Imus did nto say this b/c he was trying to sound cool/or sound like a rapper. I'm pretty sure he doesnt listen to snoop. Snoops music isnt made for him, so thats why he doesnt get it.

Can I ask why you would say this? Grow men don't get Rap?

BTW, Imus is a knob(not really the word I wanted to use), always has been imo.