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posted on Apr, 1 2007 @ 01:04 AM
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Too many co-incidences?



People often ask for proof on ATS, which is fair enough. But I find people to willing to ignore the reality, simply because proof doesn’t exist.

“Please prove to me, that all that is happening is the agenda? “
They ask.

They will accept nothing but video footage or signed presidential documents which state:
‘’We shall trick the public, we shall lie about war, and we shall make money from their blood‘’

But be honest, could such a document or video exist? No matter what the reality? When you break a law, especially one that could have you executed, you don’t exactly film the proof the prosecution would need, would you?

In-fact, you go out of your way to ensure that no ‘solid’ evidence exists. Whispers, codes, direct one to one dialogue; these are all things which are able to be denied. After all, it all comes to down to your word, against his, and when they are in power, who do you think will have the final say?

For all his stupidity, George Bush isn’t a complete Muppet, and Dick Cheney is a very successful business man.




So, you have to look to the co-incidences of the situation.
How many co-incidental events have to occur, which all benefit ‘one’ party, until people turn around and go,
“Ok, something’s not quite right here! “

Well, I am going to endeavour to create a list of co-incidences from the year 1999, up until April 1st, 2007.
I’m going to look at who’s benefited the most from these co-incidences, and who has had the power to ensure these co-incidences are never investigated.
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Contents:

  1. The Election
  2. The Desires of the president to be
  3. The Tragedy
  4. The Iraqi Threat
  5. The Result
  6. Conclusion

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The Election.



Now, we’ve all heard of elections that weren’t quiet right. Zimbabwe, Russia, Ukraine.. But who would of thought so many questions surround the United States elections?
It has been found that during the election process, at the crucial time, mysterious happenings occurred in the Florida votes. Unusually high numbers were recorded at the precise moment of declaration, and then those figures happened to vanish after. Now if anyone knows computers, you know how easily they can be manipulated.
And when you fail to win convincingly through direct number tampering, well you go to plan B, murky the waters around the political aspects.

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Above is a list of laws broken, by the republicans in regards to Florida voting.

Here’s one, I hand picked to kick things off:



Public Records Law (Palm Beach)
Destruction of computer records of 2000 Presidential vote


Have a read, Some of them are pretty specific.

Also,
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"DELAND, Fla., Nov. 11 - Something very strange happened on election night to Deborah Tannenbaum, a Democratic Party official in Volusia County. At 10 p.m., she called the county elections department and learned that Al Gore was leading George W. Bush 83,000 votes to 62,000. But when she checked the county's Web site for an update half an hour later, she found a startling development: Gore's count had dropped by 16,000 votes, while an obscure Socialist candidate had picked up 10,000--all because of a single precinct with only 600 voters."
- Washington Post Sunday , November 12, 2000 ; Page A22


Is It just a co-incidence, this major flaw happened to DEDUCT votes from Gore, and GIVE votes to bush?
This one issue alone, should of rang some major bells, and caused extreme investigations. Instead, what happened?

I revert to the above


Public Records Law (Palm Beach)
Destruction of computer records of 2000 Presidential vote





But, im willing to look at it from both sides.
Both these case were flukes, rare anomalies that occurred, and for the luck of the draw, just happened to benefit GW Bush in winning the presidency.

And the following well, its not really even worth worrying about:
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“ChoicePoint of Atlanta, was paid $4.3 million for its work, replacing a firm that charged $5,700 per year for the same service”

Why would you pay someone 4.3million to do a job, someone could of done for $5700?
What was the end result of this mass overpayment?

Thousands of eligible voters were disallowed the right to vote in predominantly democratic regions.


Obviously, this wasn’t a normal, run of the mill election campaign down in Florida.
We’ll just over look this co-incidence. And turn to the next chapter

The Desires of the president to be.



Jerry Caufield :Worked on Bush’s Campaign trail during 2000/2001
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We’d be on the campaign plane talking about domestic issues, and he’d change the subject and start rattling on about what a great evil Saddam Hussein was, and how if he won the election, he’d finish what his father failed to do.’’


Mickey Herskowitz: Was hired as GW’s auto-biographer in 1999/2000
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He was thinking about invading Iraq in 1999,” said author and journalist Mickey Herskowitz. “It was on his mind. He said to me: ‘One of the keys to being seen as a great leader is to be seen as a commander-in-chief.’ And he said, ‘My father had all this political capital built up when he drove the Iraqis out of Kuwait and he wasted it.’ He said, ‘If I have a chance to invade….if I had that much capital, I’m not going to waste it. I’m going to get everything passed that I want to get passed and I’m going to have a successful presidency


John O’neil: Us treasury secretary
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From the very beginning, there was a conviction that Saddam Hussein was a bad person and that he needed to go," O'Neill told CBS, according to excerpts released Saturday by the network. "For me, the notion of pre-emption, that the U.S. has the unilateral right to do whatever we decide to do, is a really huge leap.

Suskind said O'Neill and other White House insiders gave him documents showing that in early 2001 the administration was already considering the use of force to oust Saddam, as well as planning for the aftermath.”

There are memos," Suskind told the network. "One of them marked 'secret' says 'Plan for Post-Saddam Iraq.


So, Is it a co-incidence, that GW and the administration happened to make so many mistakes, and end up exactly where they wanted to be?
Or again, is this merely a fluke, an anomaly where he just happens to be an extremely lucky person.
Because, from my point of view, GW and Co seem to be in a position to maniuplate certain events, which could potentially open the door to something they dearly wanted, Iraq.

But ok, 1 coincidence, im willing to accept.
2 coincidences, im willing to entertain.
What else possibly happened that happen to give him what he wanted, without him involved?

The Tragedy






911 is one of those days, where you can ask any person on this planet, what they were doing, when the towers were hit, and they can remember with extreme detail.
Myself? I was kissing my girlfriend goodbye, when my friend came running through the door:

‘’ dude, dude you gotta check this out ‘’

He was in utter disbelief at what he had just witnessed.
And so was I, so were 99.9% of the population.
But, who were those .1% who looked at it and said

‘’ About damn time ‘’

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North Carolina Democratic Sen. John Edwards said on ABC's "Good Morning America" there were three "enormous red flags" that should have sent alarm bells ringing.


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National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice was warned of a possible attack on July 10, 2001 by then-CIA Director George Tenet.

Rice has denied that such a meeting took place, citing the 911 Commission Report, which never mentioned any such meeting.

In a remarkable turn of events, however, records of the meeting between Commission members and Tenet counter that claim – as does a State Department log book – and support Woodward's assertions about the warnings that Rice and Ashcroft had received from the CIA. As reported by the San Francisco Chronicle




•June 30, 2001 Senior Executive Intelligence Briefing (SEIB) entitled "bin Laden Threats Are Real"
• June 30, 2001 Senior Executive Intelligence Briefing (SEIB) entitled "bin Laden Threats Are Real"
• The threat of President Bush's assassination at the G-8 Summit by al Qaeda in July of 2001 – using aircraft to dive bomb the summit building
• July 2001 Phoenix memo, which told of potential terrorists taking flight lessons
• 52 FAA warnings – five of which mentioned al Qaeda's training for hijacking
• August 6, 2001 Presidential Daily Brief entitled "bin Laden Determined to Strike in US"
• National Intelligence Estimate (NIE)entitled "Islamist Extremists Learn to Fly"
• Intelligence agency heads describing themselves with their "hair on fire" to characterize the imminent nature of the threats they were intercepting from Al Qaeda and their sense of urgency in relating them to the Bush Administration
• The arrest of Zacharias Moussaoui in August of 2001
• FBI Agent Harry Samit's 70 unsuccessful attempts to get a FISA Warrant to examine Moussaoui's belongings


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“ALEXANDRIA, Virginia (CNN) -- At Zacarias Moussaoui's sentencing trial, an FBI agent testified Tuesday about al Qaeda's training manual, what the FBI knew prior to 9/11 about al Qaeda operatives' lessons at U.S. flight schools, and missed opportunities to learn more.”


So,
Is it a co-incidence that we happened to ‘miss’ all this vital intelligence, which led to a devastating event, which manipulated the public into following the president on the vitally important war in Iraq?
Which just happens to be the very country GW wanted to invade before any of these co-incidences ever happened?

I mean, its not that he wanted to go into Iraq was it, it was out of necessity from September 11.. and its just a coincidence he was quoted as saying BEFORE this happened, that Iraq was in his sites.

Its gotta be a co-incidence.

So far, im yet to see anything that warrants an investigation, do you?

The election, the agenda before hand, and 911.

So, this all happened, by chance, and we believed, honestly, that Iraq was the big bad enemy of the west, and it was essential to take him out above all else, so what did we have to justify our claims that Iraq was worthy of blood being spilt, economies being weakened and nations being terrorized?

IRAQ



Iraq, will go down as one of the worst blunders in American foreign policy.
Even more so than Vietnam, who woulda thought in the 90's that would be possible?

This is a topic that, honestly, you just don’t know where to begin.
The absolute mountain of evidence out there, the absolute mountain of counter-evidence, allegations, fraud so on and so on.. I think its perfect to start from the beginning, with a few sentences which, in hindsight were the only honest assessments of Iraq’s weapons programmes.

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In Cairo, on February 24 2001, Powell said: "He (Saddam Hussein) has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbours."



On May 15 2001, Powell went further and said that Saddam Hussein had not been able to "build his military back up or to develop weapons of mass destruction" for "the last 10 years". America, he said, had been successful in keeping him "in a box".



Condoleezza Rice also described a weak, divided and militarily defenceless Iraq. "Saddam does not control the northern part of the country," she said. "We are able to keep his arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt."


Even Tony Blair, himself, just prior to the invasion:

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TONY BLAIR privately conceded two weeks before the Iraq war that Saddam Hussein did not have any usable weapons of mass destruction, Robin Cook, the former foreign secretary, reveals today.


So how did we make so many mistakes?

What is it exactly that we said, what did we accuse Saddam of:

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Dick Cheney: Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.

George W. Bush: Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.

Ari Fleischer: If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once again misleading the world.

George W. Bush: We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more.

George W. Bush: We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have.

Ari Fleisher: Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly . . . all this will be made clear in the course of the operation, for whatever duration it takes.

Ok, well there's a HELL of a lot of direct quotes, of just what the administration was telling us they knew.
After all, and im quoting here


Simply stated, there is no doubt


we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction


No wonder the public believed him, who honestly would think the government would lie on such a tremendous level? especially when the sovereignty of another country was at stake?

And just for your own interest,
Here's a scanned copy of the Niger documents, which we were 'unaware' of being fraudulent.
Nigerdocs

How did we make so many mistakes? and end up in Iraq wrongfully?
I mean clearly, being this is all a co-incidence, GW and Co never, ever used faulty intelligence and manipulated documents to garner support for the war in Iraq they had wanted since before 2000. This is all clearly, another coincidence.

And the fact that our German and French counter parts even told us so:


Doubt grew exponentially as France and Germany, with whom we have extensive intelligence sharing arrangements, took strong issue with your administration's claims about Iraq. Those two major allies and others have concluded that the evidence that Iraq is continuing to pursue new weapons of mass destruction is far from conclusive and that it falls far short of justification for starting a war.


And when our officials were quizzed to cough up some evidence:


When NATO ambassadors asked Wolfowitz last month about the evidence against Iraq, he likened it to pornography: "I can't define it, but I will know it when I see it." He did little to rehabilitate himself as super analyst last Thursday with his long, unpersuasive speech in New York.

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But, do you want to know the most unbelievable part?
The part that is meant to be, in no way a co-incidence?

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Interesting little company there, but after reading the above link
let me get this straight.
Dick Cheney’s Daughter is a top official in the above government branch.
Paul Wolfowitz's Saudi Girlfriend is also now a TOP OFFICIAL for the government branch.

What’s the HISTORY behind this offices dealings?

The Office of Special Plans (OSP), which worked alongside the Near East and South Asia (NESA) bureau in Feith's domain, was originally created by Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary Paul Wolfowitz to review raw information collected by the official U.S. intelligence agencies for connections between Iraqi President Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda.

Surely, this is just a mere coincidence. They honestly believed all the evidence that said Iraq had WMD's. They cant show us this evidence, and its their families and friends in charge of creating this evidence, but that doesn’t matter. Because there belief in the evidence had absolutely nothing to do, with GW's statement from 1999, that he wanted to enter Iraq if he was President.

Of course, once again, this is all happening by chance.

And up to date, there's absolutely no reason here, to be doubting GW, or questioning anything that has occurred to date.
Its all, very co-incidental.

The big lingering question about Iraq, that has yet to be answered, is

'' where's all this evidence ''

We were so sure, we had concrete evidence that left us with NO DOUBT as to Saddams WMD capabilities.

So, what possible evidence could we of had, to suggest his WMD strength, when it turned out he didn’t have one, single weapon of mass destruction.

But, as always, we'll just over look that question.


The Result



Ok, So, who benefits the most from this colossal mistake?
The Iraqi's? Terrorists? America?

Well for starters, there’s the vice president.


According to financial disclosure forms, he was paid from Halliburton:
$205,298 in 2001
$162,392 in 2002
$178,437 in 2003
$194,852 in 2004

And in 2005 his stock was estimated at $8,000,000.00
Pretty good for someone with no financial tie
It again, just happens to be a coincidence, he's the VP, who pushed for war.
His making a direct profit from the conflict is in no way, considered war profiteering.
This has been detailed
Here


Then, theres the Terrorists
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"If Osama believed in Christmas, this is what he'd want under his Christmas tree," one senior intelligence official told me. Another counterterrorism official suggests that Iraq might begin to resemble "Afghanistan 1996," a reference to the year that bin Laden seized on Afghanistan, a chaotic failed state, as his new base of operations.


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' The Iraq conflict, which began in March 2003, made "America arguably less safe now than it was on September 11, 2001," Batiste, who commanded the 1st Infantry Division in Iraq in 2004-2005, told a hearing on the war called by U.S. Senate Democrats.
"If we had seriously laid out and considered the full range of requirements for the war in Iraq, we would likely have taken a different course of action that would have maintained a clear focus on our main effort in Afghanistan, not fueled Islamic fundamentalism across the globe, and not created more enemies than there were insurgents," Batiste said.


files.abovetopsecret.com...

So, what is the trade off here?

The West here becomes less secure, and more hated?
While GW gets his Iraqi wish, and VP makes millions.

Does anyone look at this:


Then look at this:


And feel nothing but disgust for the leaders?

Do you really declare:

" Its a good thing we did what we did, Id hate to think of the world we'd be in now, if we had of engaged in Dialogue "

Was this really all just blind luck?
Just a long series of coincidences, that no one predicted or wanted, that went terribly wrong somewhere?

I certainly don’t believe The Administration wanted things to get this out of hand,
Well, im actually certain of it:

Rummsfield: The way might take weeks, months, probably not years!

The truth is, wether they planned this or not, they have lost complete control.
Everyone warned us of this, but no one listened.

Conclusion



Well, if anyone’s still here by this time. Thankyou. This thread took a long time, and a lot of work.
There's thousands, upon thousands of different points and links I could of thrown into this, and that other people probably feel deserves more time than others, there probably right.

In the end, we have lost a lot of good men and women (soldiers).
A nation has lost hundreds of thousands of good citizens (Iraq)
And a once great and powerful nation has lost all the worlds respect (USA)

A lot is going to happen before this mess sorts its self out, A lot of people are going to pay the maximum price.

But If I were a solider in Iraq, On the battlefield there's only one thing id want, if I were to die.

and thats to die, knowing what led me to my death, instead of who fooled me to my death.

If you still believe, everything to date happened by coincidence, then you my friend must of experienced some truly unbelievable series of events in your life.

Because all I see,

Is that from day -1 GWBush & Co wanted Iraq.
And every event up until today has led him there, and them some.
The problem is, they under-estimated the Iraqi's to a massive respect, and have now devastated a country, created further Anti-US sentiment and ultimately changed the entire tide of the planet toward chaos, rather than peace.

Was all this chaos, REALLY about one man?



If I am to die in the war that is approaching, at least I can face my maker and tell him, I didn’t die a fool. I died defending the truth. I died fighting the US Government, and everything it stands for today.

Ultimately, Clearly the US Administration has undertaken actions to manipulate the public, con the world and dupe the people into following them into Iraq, a quest their leaders desired from before they were in Office.
They allowed 911 to occur, they used your pain to trick you, then they used your soldiers, to make money, to make a corporate piggy bank on another countries turf, at the cost of their blood, your blood and your future.

They deserve to be tried for treason, and convicted for Crimes against Humanity, Crimes against the American people and for 600,000 + counts of first degree murder.












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posted on Apr, 1 2007 @ 03:50 AM
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Great post, and you illustrate one of the main arguments I think for a conspiracy of some sort behind 9/11 and the following events - either the government is incompetent and obsessive with regards to Iraq, or conspiring to achieve their own ends.. Given the choice of idiocy or collusion, I'm reasonably sure which is more likely..



posted on Apr, 1 2007 @ 04:40 AM
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a vote for way above

you have much respect from myself
and another I read this to

[edit] I hope many eyes are opened buy this {/edit]

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posted on Apr, 1 2007 @ 06:17 AM
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Thanks Ats'ers
Lets keep it in the open with regards to 911, bush and Iraq.
Because it has just as much bearing on what is happening TODAY in Iran, than anything else.
They see us as illegitmate occupiers. And they are right. No amount of violence, threats of bombs will make them think otherwise.




Originally posted by Inannamute
Great post, and you illustrate one of the main arguments I think for a conspiracy of some sort behind 9/11 and the following events - either the government is incompetent and obsessive with regards to Iraq, or conspiring to achieve their own ends.. Given the choice of idiocy or collusion, I'm reasonably sure which is more likely..


It makes you worry yeah?

If they did it, well that scares me, what more are they prepared to do?

If they are that incompitent, then that scares me just as much.
What is happening that they arent seeing? What are we being sucked into?



[edit on 1-4-2007 by Agit8dChop]



posted on Apr, 1 2007 @ 06:39 AM
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vote for way above


First time I've used it. I really think that this may sway people into looking at things a little differently. You can't have the evidence which pertains to conspiracy, but you can look at all the coincidences and put forth a pretty good picture of whats really going on.

Good job



posted on Apr, 1 2007 @ 07:11 AM
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Wow that was good. Well done, you obviously did a lot of research. I agree with every single point you made, and it seems like ou covered all of your bases.



posted on Apr, 1 2007 @ 07:34 AM
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You have voted Agit8dChop for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.


This was an excellent post! I enjoyed reading it, you made some very good points here I think many will benefit from understanding. Good work!



posted on Apr, 1 2007 @ 07:57 AM
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Wow Agit8dChop. That was some very excellent posting there. Laid out very concise and matter of fact. You get a big one of these
and a seldom given out by me WATS for that. What a great read and collection of links. Keep up the great work.



posted on Apr, 1 2007 @ 08:03 AM
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Type in on the font WingDings in CAPITALS
Q33 NY

that was the flight code for the first plane to hit the twin towers

now look in amazement as this comes up:



posted on Apr, 1 2007 @ 08:12 AM
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this is one of the best l have seen so far here... now above all this , as l sead before , we are lucky to have strong country like russia and china to inderectly protect the rest of the wourld . could any ones magine how far these stupid ass hole GW and CO could go if they had no super power strong enough to stop them. these american are the worst virus on this planet and we all know that they will pay for very long what they did . as canadian l wish them all they did to irak . GOD MESS AMERICA



posted on Apr, 1 2007 @ 08:16 AM
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Originally posted by Conspiracy-Theory
Type in on the font WingDings in CAPITALS
Q33 NY

that was the flight code for the first plane to hit the twin towers

now look in amazement as this comes up:


Wow, an airplane, 2 sheets of paper, a hazard symbol, and a star of david...I smell conspiracy!!

is this considered a "1 liner"? if it is, heres another line.

bye

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posted on Apr, 1 2007 @ 08:17 AM
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Originally posted by Conspiracy-Theory
Type in on the font WingDings in CAPITALS
Q33 NY

that was the flight code for the first plane to hit the twin towers

now look in amazement as this comes up:


i believed that when i first saw it a few years ago but it has some flaws...


None of the planes involved in the 9/11 attacks had the flight number "Q33 NY". The flight numbers of the planes that crashed into the Twin Towers were in fact "11" and "175". Clearly, someone has simply made up this supposed flight number in an attempt to make the spurious claim seem valid.


www.hoax-slayer.com...



posted on Apr, 1 2007 @ 08:24 AM
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The Cruelest Joke Satan ever played on man kind was to make them believe they would live forever. Whoever was involved in 9/11 will pay the price when their maker calls them home and that will happen, it's impossible for it not to happen, even Satan will be called home before God in the end... For those who did it for greed and power, enjoy it in hell, For those of you who don't believe, good luck..



posted on Apr, 1 2007 @ 08:34 AM
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Originally posted by Agit8dChop

Too many co-incidences?



People often ask for proof on ATS, which is fair enough. But I find people to willing to ignore the reality, simply because proof doesn’t exist.


No, proof does not require an admission. It requires evidence.

Simple, I didn't read you entire diatribe because I got the gist of it, and felt it was wrong.


Proof requires evidence... Not admission of guilt. Simple evidence to support it.



posted on Apr, 1 2007 @ 08:39 AM
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Excellent work man.

[q]You have voted Agit8dChop for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.[/q]



posted on Apr, 1 2007 @ 08:56 AM
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Very nice Agit. Voted for ya.

Still waiting for a comprehensive rebuttal





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posted on Apr, 1 2007 @ 08:56 AM
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Originally posted by badw0lf

Originally posted by Agit8dChop

Too many co-incidences?



People often ask for proof on ATS, which is fair enough. But I find people to willing to ignore the reality, simply because proof doesn’t exist.


No, proof does not require an admission. It requires evidence.

Simple, I didn't read you entire diatribe because I got the gist of it, and felt it was wrong.


Proof requires evidence... Not admission of guilt. Simple evidence to support it.




And that is exactly what "they" have brainwashed people to believe in, without solid evidence we have no right to accuse those IN POWER when most of the world KNOWS what "they" in power are up to.

If we keep waiting for solid "evidence" to arrive it will ALWAYS be debunked, the only thing we have is our god given "gifts" of intuition and our natural human ways of knowing something is not quite right.

And "they" know this, they know that the brainwashed citizens of this world will not believe anything unless it is proved by evidence.

And that is why we need to stop using our 5 senses to be able to believe what is going on.

What will it take for people to believe that the governments have been lying to us for so long?

When will people start trusting their own "gut feelings" on this?

Because until we do and stick together in a few years satan will have won.

Think of what is going on in this world as a test.

Do not rely on the physical evidence, use your human instincts and heart to work this out.... Otherwise you are a mere robot helping those in power get away with this!

Way Above for this thread you the man!


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posted on Apr, 1 2007 @ 09:01 AM
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Originally posted by Agit8dChop

Too many co-incidences?



People often ask for proof on ATS, which is fair enough. But I find people to willing to ignore the reality, simply because proof doesn’t exist.


excellent recap. I just said my proof is in the coincidenses in another thread


I loved your sarcasm.. really how can anyone following daily news not see the pattern.

Btw. you forget to mention how close the bush family was with saddam, even bin laden in earlier years. I'd have to look it up again. bit fuzzy memory regarding that.

really excellent article



Originally posted by badw0lf

Simple, I didn't read you entire diatribe because I got the gist of it, and felt it was wrong.


Well that imho does not cut it to conclude anything even the conclusion you need more evidence. It's not such a large volume of text...

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posted on Apr, 1 2007 @ 09:06 AM
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Is a shame when people can no see past the tip of their noses, people in our nation have been groomed to be party liners’ worshipers to the point that blinds loyalty stop them from discovering the truth of the intention of a government and corrupted politicians working for the soul purpose to satisfy an agenda that is nothing more than about money power and control.

Is despicable for a self appointed True American Patriot to even thinks that the great American political system and the example for the rest of the world are not better than any other third world country when it comes to corruption and the fulfillment of corporate agendas.

Is despicable for a self appointed America Patriot to even think that our democracy and our free country are nothing than a joke played unto the American people and the rest of the world for the enjoyment of public opinion while the ruling class does as it wishes with the lives of patriot Americans in uniform?

Thanks for this amazing thread Agit8dChop

Are people like you and many others that keep it real for the unsuspected and more often than not gullible patriots in this nation.

Patriotism is not about worshiping government but keeping government from worshiping power and corruption.

You got my vote.


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posted on Apr, 1 2007 @ 09:10 AM
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Here is more information on the bush-bin laden ties that was metioned earlier by David2012


In 1978, Bush and Osama bin Laden's brother, Salem bin Laden, founded Arbusto Energy, an oil company based in Texas.



Several bin Laden family members invested millions in The Carlyle Group, a private global equity firm based in Washington, DC. The company's senior advisor was Bush's father, former President George H.W. Bush. After news of the bin Laden-Bush connection became public, the elder Bush stepped down from Carlyle.



Interestingly, on Sept. 11, 2001, members of the Carlyle Group - including Bush senior, and his former secretary of state, James Baker - were meeting at the Ritz Carlton Hotel in Washington, D.C., along with Shafiq bin Laden, another one of Osama bin Laden's brothers. While all flights were halted following the terrorist attacks, there was one exception made: The White House authorized planes to pick up 140 Saudi nationals, including 24 members of the bin Laden family, living in various cities in the U.S. to bring them back to Saudi Arabia, where they would be safe. They were never interrogated.


www.denverpost.com...

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