Even if it was an inside job on par with the burning of the Reichstag, the Machiavellian beauty of 911 is that we are all now a hostage audience. It's a mistake to think that the Chinese are not offended at the racism that insulates Western arrogance against the threat they pose to our access to dwindling resources. They're adoption of the free market economy has not opened up the political system in any substantial way. The poor are being ousted from land that is being bought up for private enterprise with no recourse and they have no due process in their system. Now, neither do we.

They have a booming manufacturing economy, now we have the export of raw resource and a consumer market run on debt. The preemptive strike that bin Laden justified has been more advantageous to the East than the West, it's driven up recruitment for militants in the East and squandered resources with no substantial gains made in the winning of hearts and minds, or land. Most people can sense there's a fight coming up. China has already marched, there is the nasty little invasion of Tibet.

The adoption of torture and discarding due process has destroyed whatever moral ground the West had to stand on. Wars are won on the higher moral ground. Does something for the soldiers and the resistance fighters. South America will not be our ally. Each anti-christ has risen out of some kind of political turmoil and had a target for that rage. Napoleon guillotined monarchs, Hitler gassed Jews, the next one will have it in for the poor. But it probably will have a nice spin on it at the outset.

Diebold evolved from Nazi technology. It's a ridiculous position. The unmitigated thrust towards global free market capitalism is nothing but the rise of the global fascists. Frankly I would rather take my chances on an American totalitarianism than Chinese, probably stand a better chance of fixing it sooner, given the historical precedents. China has spent the last almost 100 years under a Stalinesque type of political communism. There have been so many internal purges and the encouragement to rat out one's neighbor for advancement destroys the moral character of a nation. Despite the ease with which the same tactics are being implemented in North America (calling a disturbed child a terrorist) our historical traditions provide at least an opportunity for debate. Mind you leadership has imparted that the hurling of insults is a valid form of debate and true to the encouragement of emulating power, citizens follow suit.

Where are the men.



[edit on 5-4-2007 by clearwater]

You have voted Agit8dChop for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.

Very nicely done.Looks like you put a lot of time and effort into this.

I just watched a documentary on the Florida elections the other day.And it's amazing that no investigations(real investigations)have taken place.

Excellent work Agit8chop. What you call co-incidences I call circumstantial evidence..same difference... it exists and it is essential that we all retain this core knowledge in our minds when examining all that is chucked our way. We are manipulated daily, distracted and thrown bones. As you point out, behind all the smokescreens there is a truth to be found. The truth is in the age-old connections. The same names and faces popping up, the same territorial wars over raw materials and economic control thereof. It is simply the means that alter. And for these people, the ends always justifies the means.

Great thread Agit8chop.

Well Done Agit8dChop

As so many above have indicated -- super-researched, a monumental effort, fantastic thread, Sir.
I'd ask a question or add something to the facts but seems to me, you have asked all the questions and wisely researched and answered them as well !!

BRAVO.

Dallas

Originally posted by curiousbeliever
if something crazy happens like bush being allowed to stay in office for one more term (obviously impossible due to the 22nd amendment) then that is proof that something is clearly wrong with the country and if people don't realize it at that point then they are truly being manipulated.

I cant see Bush being allowed to stay, wether he changes the law or not.
The people behind him, in the shadows, are fed up with his antics, and his ramblings I think.

He was put in place because he's such an easy target. They knew they could maniuplate him once he was in power, he had connections and he had carisma, to an extent.

Him staying in power would be too obvious, and the generals are very unhappy with his wars, you only need to look at the war planning management team he wanted to setup, where the generals REFUSED to take on the task, mainly cause they have no idea where the wars are headed.

Should he 'try' and stay in power, im confident some sort of coup, or threat of a coup by military would take place.

Look for the candidates in todays election, I personally think Obama is going to win.
Because I think he's aleady been approached, by who ever is really running the government.

They got Bush in power, so they can surely get who ever is sympathetic to their goals in power, again.

All this isnt happening by chance, it was setup from the day GW was put in office.

And they sure as hell arent going to just let it all end, when George's times up...

This was a plan long coming, and its going to go on without George.

hey thanks alot, that was a really good threat i got through the whole thing. good use of sources it a very credible arguement. i will pass it on,
daniel

i meant 'thread' not threat! sorry!

i love these people that cry for evidence.

keep your shades on, as long as you cant see the truth, it must not be there.

ignorance is bliss, or perhaps your government paycheck is bliss. or, perhaps your brainwashed tv head is bliss. pick a chamber, then "take some action" for once.

the rest of us with common sense would like to see you make something of yourself.

Agit8dChop:

I can just say "Wow dude, you made a great work"... Very pertinent work indeed, full of facts.

Congratulation!

You make me feel less alone about my very own view of 911, Iraq war and Us election.

Good post, but I think you are missing the forest for the trees. Could have been anyone in office, preferrably a conservative, to get us into a losing battle, bring the economy closer to parity with Mexico, so the soon to be elected progressive can institute the NAU and socialist education, economy and healthcare. Something that a conservative leader can't do.
In the real back rooms of power, only results matter, not party affiliations, they are used like poker chips---or better yet, trading cards.

kudos to the author of this post for an interesting and informative narrative. I have always been suspicious of how, just about the time the american public was putting pressure on the florida voting scandal 911 happened and any attempt to say anything derrogatory about the presidential scandal threatened to have an entire nation ready to lynch the " obviously " unpatriotic potential terrorist. Who could possibly question the presidential office in the wake of 911? Nobody! even today in the wake of all thats happened its difficult for the rare dedicated journalist to ask these questions without commiting career suicide. I could be wrong here but didnt the re election of bush also have some florida scandal? And did we not see the iraqi war begin aproximately the same time? again ending any reasonable investigation as the nation was going to war....
it would be unpatriotic!!! As the OP said, the list of coincidences in regards to the elections, 911, and the systemicatic dismantling of rights in freedoms in the last 8 years is astounding..... I fear for the future......

Excellent post. Coherent, well thought out and very though provoking. This is the type of argument that one could use to if not persuade, but at least get a conversation going.