So You Hate Cops

So...

Since Ras decides to use his experience in the same manner as you do, he is now not intelligent?

I'm sure you know that many cops fall within this same range of intelligence that you currently demean...

Originally posted by semperfortis
As for the experience and training of an average officer as compared to an average civilian.

If you can not see the difference in the two, than again, my postulating will again be of no import.

The differences are so fantastically diametric, I would make the "wild leap" that most would recognize it without extraneous explanation.

Semper

Really?

Explain to me how a lifetime of police abuse is any less valid in the way of experience than a lifetime of "hunting" criminals. The truth is that it is no different. Had police been better trained in policing a community through community action, and community support, there would be no need for the average black person to fear the police. Unfortunately this is not the case. The police assault innocent people, and that's a fact of life.

Originally posted by truthseeka

I'm sure you know that many cops fall within this same range of intelligence that you currently demean...

Well, I'm in the top 2 percentile for intelligence in the world, so I bet there are fewer cops that fall into that range than you might think Truth. As a matter of fact, I'm betting that it's less than 2% of police. Certain types of people gravitate toward certain occupations.

Originally posted by semperfortis

That is what I meant about validation of my OP. The majority were either supportive or cautious as one may expect from intellectual and thoughtful people. A few reacted exactly as expected when polling a segment of the common population. No surprises there at all....

I just thought that as a policeman you might actually want to hear from the horses mouth just why people do not probably like you. I am not someone who has a problem with authority, and I have been more than willing to take responsibility for my actions. For you to suggest otherwise is pathetic, but conveniently a nice way to avoid an actual discussion.

Instead of taking this as a chance to learn and an opportunity to talk, you instead choose to act like a typical, sanctimonious, arrogant, pig headed (no pun intended) cop. No surprise there at all...

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
Explain to me how a lifetime of police abuse is any less valid in the way of experience than a lifetime of "hunting" criminals. The truth is that it is no different.

Exactly!
It's different though because he's a cop...and because he said so.

[edit on 9-3-2007 by phoenixhasrisin]

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
As for experience and training, well, that's life. If I've lived in an area where my experience and training has led me to see that most every officer patrolling has either assaulted me, or someone I know, or used racial slurs, or acted in any other way unbecoming of a decent person, how is that any less valid than an officer's experience or training?

The experience is with the vast majority of officers being violent, and untrustworthy, and the training is almost Pavlovian.

When a police officer comes around,

Don't look him in the eye, or you'll be verbally or physically assaulted.

Don't speak to or ask questions of an officer- see above

Don't walk too quickly away from an officer - see above

Don't act afraid of an officer- see above

Do not act friendly to an office- see above

Is this training invalid?

This "training" that you list here is purely hypothetical, isn't it? It cannot possibly be based upon real life. At least not in the US. Well, maybe in a SuperMax, like Florence, but...

I mean, seriously:

"Don't look him in the eye, or you'll be verbally or physically assaulted

Don't speak to or ask questions of an officer- see above

Don't walk too quickly away from an officer - see above"?

Where does that happen in America?

Every try a nod and a "Good afternoon, officer"?

Works well with priests and military also, I've found. I only point them out because their uniforms make them easily recognizable.

Originally posted by jsobecky
Every try a nod and a "Good afternoon, officer"?

Ever try that in the ghetto?

It usually gets you questioned, and called a smart ass.


[edit on 9-3-2007 by phoenixhasrisin]

Every claim of police brutality that I have seen here has been accompanied by the words "Officer arrested". There are bad apples, and they are held accountable.

The problem is, they have to deal with a helluva lot more bad apples in society that are never held accountable for their actions. I would imagine it wears on a person, after a while.

Originally posted by phoenixhasrisin

Originally posted by jsobecky
Every try a nod and a "Good afternoon, officer"?

Ever try that in the ghetto?

It usually gets you questioned, and called a smart ass.


[edit on 9-3-2007 by phoenixhasrisin]

It never got me questioned.

Edit to correct: Oh yes it did... one time. The cop was looking for some scumbag and asked me if I knew him and had seen him.



[edit on 9-3-2007 by jsobecky]

Originally posted by Rasobasi420

Originally posted by truthseeka

I'm sure you know that many cops fall within this same range of intelligence that you currently demean...

Well, I'm in the top 2 percentile for intelligence in the world, so I bet there are fewer cops that fall into that range than you might think Truth. As a matter of fact, I'm betting that it's less than 2% of police. Certain types of people gravitate toward certain occupations.

Well, you're smarter than me. I'm more in the top 3% range. But, I didn't mean that you were not smart. I was referring to semper's comment that, since you use personal experience to build your view of police, you are not too smart. You can re-read his post and see it there.

And, I'd bet WITH you that there are not too many cops within that intelligence range.

Originally posted by jsobecky
Every claim of police brutality that I have seen here has been accompanied by the words "Officer arrested". There are bad apples, and they are held accountable.

Sure, becky.

And how many of these cases end with "officer acquitted?"

Semper good cop bad cop it does not matter when you wear your uniform you still represent the Jewish/fascist state that produces the very problems that you have to Police.

You see, police misconduct/brutality is such a problem that people have created a bunch of groups under the umbrella of CopWatch. They take a page from the Black Panthers and monitor police interactions with citizens. They traded the AR-15s for video cameras, though.

CopWatch

Here are a couple of good posters from the site.

www.copwatch.org...

www.copwatch.org...

Originally posted by jsobecky
Don't walk too quickly away from an officer - see above"?

Where does that happen in America?

Jso, if anything this should show you that there is a distinct difference in your America and mine. Refusing to acknowledge the facts in my America doesn't make them go away. This is a good starting point for us to see the genuinely troubled situation this country is in.

So all black guys rob liquor stores???

All White guys beat their women and are serial killers???

All Mexicans are Illegals???

All you are doing is lumping all cops with the bad ones and saying they all are bad.

Originally posted by truthseeka
I was referring to semper's comment that, since you use personal experience to build your view of police, you are not too smart. You can re-read his post and see it there.

And, I'd bet WITH you that there are not too many cops within that intelligence range.

Ah, gotcha

Thanks Truth

I think the training that Semper was pointing towards is the academy and or criminal justice programs, and that nearly all the focus is on the criminal and the ways to assess the situation, not to mention that when they go into active duty, they are daily confronted with the criminal and that mind set...
I wouldnt doubt you have an ability to detect a good/bad officer.. and I think I would too, I am also a highly intelligent person, but I believe that there is an obvious difference in training from a regular civilian to a trained law enforcement officer.... an officer is highly specialised, most regular civilians are not.

Originally posted by Royal76
All you are doing is lumping all cops with the bad ones and saying they all are bad.

1. Show me where I said that.
2. Members of ALL 3 groups you mentioned are cops, so this is a bad analogy.

Originally posted by drconfused
an officer is highly specialised, most regular civilians are not.

That is no more true than a fry cook at Mc donalds, the only reason you believe differently is because that is the mantra for police.

Somehow their training is supposed to make them better than the average "civilian", yet, somehow all their training does not prevent them from acting like any other human would if put in their situation.


Personally, I don't see what difference this training makes. Oh wait, that's right, it's just a few bad apples. I always forget the second mantra.

[edit on 9-3-2007 by phoenixhasrisin]

Originally posted by drconfused
I am also a highly intelligent person, but I believe that there is an obvious difference in training from a regular civilian to a trained law enforcement officer.... an officer is highly specialised, most regular civilians are not.

I'm not talking about most regular civilians though Dr. I'm talking about civilians who have been tormented for a large portion of their lives by the police. These people are trained to avoid police in certain ways so that they aren't assaulted by the police for speaking out of turn, or less. These people are normal people too, they just happen to live in areas where the police will beat you for speaking out of turn, or at least the officer's idea of out of turn.

I dont make the claim that officers are more trained than the average civilian on the basis of cop mantra, I make this through an educated assumption and having looked at some of law enforcement training.
And Ras thanks for clarifying that the difference of an average civilian to someone who encounters these problems daily, but I wonder what do you do about it other than just bein on the guard? Do you contact the IA or the officers superiors about these issues?