Greetings all,
Fascinating thread, I know the 2012 thing is virtually becoming passe as we speak (just wait till it get's even closer), but I still think this
particular thread has some relevant and interesting things to say about this notion. I occaisionally lurk, and only post when I feel I can contribute
something (and so far that has been a largely fruit-less venture which suprised even me). Quite honestly I'm a little put off by the culture of ATS,
that's all I'm going to say on that front-- I still think this is a cool forum, but I'm not going to spend as much of my time on this thing as many
people do (no offense to those of you that do, btw). I definately find some of the topics interesting, and I consider myself open-minded however I
don't find my personal validation through arguing anonymously on a forum that was clearly created for disussions about UFOs et al, like a lot of
people seem to for some unknown reason.
Dark13 mentioned in his list early on (2nd post from OP) that the Kabbalists had a view that was along-side many other cultures with regards to the
"end of the world" business, and no mention or refference was brought forth (but I agree there is a connection, but more in the vein that it is a
transition to a new manifestation). I thought I'd add a little something in that respect. This link I'm providing is a Rabbinic word-of-mouth sort
of thing, (i.e. it was a personal remembrance of a conversation between two Chassidic/mystic rabbis), but I think it sums up the mystical Hebrew
Eschatology perspective which is relevant to this thread. I am aware that Jewish theology is about as popular as pox-infested blankets on this forum
(except when we're placing blame on it or it's adherents), and I'm not here to argue with the "Z.O.G. is coming for our children" crowd. That is
not my burden, and I honestly am not here to tell anyone what is right or what to believe. I am, however, a student of comparitive religion and have
studied a lot of Hebrew texts as a matter of course, therefore I have a certain understanding of the theology of the Torah/Judaism. And although I
don't think I need to state it, I am not Jewish, nor am I x-tian-- not that it should matter, and not that I don't find value in all traditions. As
the *source* of authority within the "Abrahamic faiths" (i.e. Judaism, x-tianity, Islam), do I think that the original authority rests within Jewish
theology? You bet. It's the source, even x-tianity and Islam claim such. Is it more right? Not necessarily, has that swayed me towards either of
their perspectives? Not hardly. Alright, I'm done with the obligatory ATS caveats. Anyhow, here's an interesting link about Kabbalistic Hebrew
Eschatology:
www.shemayisrael.co.il...
I'm not claiming it as proof of anything, only as an example of kabbalistic/Hebrew Eschatological thought. Even this teaching, although it seems
spot-on within the context of the rabbinical teachings along these lines, remains largely unknown to many religious folks within judaism (not all of
course). I think it's rather interesting. Heck, a lot of "religious jews" don't realize that Judaism has a rather concrete reincarnation scheme
built in-- (plenty of them do realize this, but most of the "secular jews" have no understanding of their own reincarnation structure).
Anyhow, I'm not here to debate whether or not the Jews have horns, or are responsible for any of the stuff they seem to get blamed for on a regular
basis-- I am a scholar of religion, and I think it is important to consider/understand if we want to get to the *source* of the "big 3" as it is
called (although I stated in an earlier thread that the proper biug three, depending on whether you recognize Atheism/Agnosticism, that Hinduism is in
the big 3 and the Jews are like 2% of the world population if I remember correctly). I didn't write this stuff, I just study this stuff.
Peace
H23