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Originally posted by Bob88
uh, how is communism faring these days anyway?
Originally posted by echelon
1) under capitalism, we are not entitled to any stable economic status.
2) meaning... we can have everything one day... the next, we could be dirt-poor, when it may not even be our fault.
3)"we don't have any ressources on earth for everybody." that's quite sad, isn't it?
however, that's only true under capitalism.
the reason it works under socialism is because the gov't regulates it. actually, under capitalism, there is more produced, but it's only made for profit. which means... higher prices.
capitalism is also the reason why we are running out of resources... because it applies a device called 'over-production'
and under socialism, there is nothing like that, because the gov't sets quotas on how much should be produced each year (seems much more organized than capitalism, doesn't it?)
4) everyone else is not poor. no one has to suffer, and there is no reason for crime, because everyone gets what they need
5) so has the soviet union (even though i don't think they were truly communist)... and guess who was always there to steal their technology.
6) if you still don't believe me, then you'd probably be happy living under the new capitalist world order.
Originally posted by ultra_phoenix
2) Yes, I know. But in a communist system, we know that we will NEVER be rich ( or just have a good middle-class ). We just know that we are poor for the end of our poor live !
Originally posted by ultra_phoenix
3) Of course there is enough ressources under a communism system. When I see the former Sovietic or the actuals Chicoms....The Soviet peoples had NOTHING and the majority of the Chineses have NOTHING. But I remember that the former USSR was spendin almost 15 to 18 % of his national budget in weapons, guns, and so on....So, juts a few for the peoples but everything for the Defense !
4) No crimes ? Damn ! I wonder why they had ( and still have ) huge polices forces. Oh yeah, it was ( and still be ) to keep peoples "quiets".
Originally posted by ultra_phoenix
But there is 2 cases where I'm able to fight WITH a communist against another ideology/threat. Find these cases/threats if you can do it....
Originally posted by echelon
1) so what's wrong when everyone wins?
2) again... the question is... 'was the ussr & the east asian countries really communist or atleast briefly?'
3) it's nice to see that you're keeping an open mind on the topic
4)but i can't say i know what you're talking about.
Originally posted by ultra_phoenix
It's an alien invasion or a muslim invasion of course !
Originally posted by JediMaster
Now if the damn commies were so "great" then why did they all fall? I mean the USSR is no more, China is not faring to well, and just look at Cuba.
Originally posted by echelon
again... the question is... 'was the ussr & the east asian countries really communist or atleast briefly?'
Originally posted by JediMaster
Under the capitalism we can make our money any way we want. We can make as much as we want.
Originally posted by mad scientist
echelon, communsim has shown itself to be incredibly inefficient over the last 70 years. This results in an underproduction in the economy, just look at the queues in the old USSR.
Originally posted by mad scientist
The problem with communism is that all people aren't equal, there will always be a heirarchy. And unlike capitalism there is almost no chance of moving up that heirarchy.
Originally posted by mad scientist
COMMUNISM SUX. It's obvious echelon, that you have never been to a communist country.
Originally posted by mad scientist
echelon, it is hard to follow what u are talking about.
It is funny that when u are confronted by a communist country as an example you say it is not communist it is socialist.
Originally posted by mad scientist
Also, communism encourages laziness. Where is the incentive to excel if everyone is compensated the same. I could hardly see a rocket scientist earning the same money as a janitor as being happy. Could you ?
i just asked for you to name some socialist nations that are doing worse than the capitalists.
there is no hierarchy. communism promotes a society without any classes. because there's only one class, the proletariat.
....but we're also realistic.
the workers are ranked depending on experience and expertise and get paid accordingly.