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He learned a new word - "sophistry" - so he's going to beat us all to death with it. He knows all, too, so everybody else shut up because only OrangeTom knows what the hell he's talking about.
Are you happy now, OT? Is there anything else we can do for Your Highness?
Originally posted by orangetom1999
Shizzle..thanks for the site about the "motto of the United States" in 1956. I did not know that was the date it was put in effect. However I have one problem with that. The context used by Madnessinmysoul and others was about the moneys and the usage of the term "In God We Trust" on the moneys. To my knowlege and having some olde coins dating back to when there was actual silver in them, 9 tenths fine, is that this phrase was on them long before 1956. It just continues unto this day. Anyone into numanistic coins can confirm this. This was true also on many of the Gold coins dating back before 1933 or when the gold coins were removed from circulation. " In God We Trust."
I dont know nor agree that a persons intelligence is determined by what they want to learn. I am not sure that is a valid statement. It is an intresting statement. I think a persons intelligence shows in how they put what they know to use..or to use in learning more...for thier benifit. The process and the results. How you use or not use what you know for your benifit. This is different from what they "want to learn."
I dont like to be around smokers. Nor dippers...or tobacco chewers.
I think it is gross. I dont however tell these people what to do in thier own homes..or cars..etc etc. I also dont tell them to stop smoking or chewing/dipping.
I also dont think it should be banned from stores...or advertisements which seem to bombard me constantly like a deadly assault from the various medias. When I see this stuff I ignore it and go on especially since I dont purchase this stuff.
Originally posted by orangetom1999
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
lizardking, the whole taking the god off of money, out of the pledge, and out of the courtroom has to do with the constitution
religions are free because we are free from them
if there was no freedom from religion, then any single religion could gain supremacy through government
Sorry dude...but this is sophistry of the worst type and attempts to take advantage of peoples ignorance..and there is alot of ignorance out here ..even among athiests.
You should know much better than this but have been programmed not to think this through. If this is a statement from "expert" athiest it is at odds with what the history states.
Originally posted by Sun Matrix
I bet no one comes to the door any more. Except Mormons and JW.
Originally posted by shizzle5150
Wow Here is a dandy, I think a lot of christians feel this way toward atheists only don't voice it when they are talking to you person to person.
Link to article
Call me crazy but I don't think the bibles teachings and this persons views coincide very well.
Originally posted by shantyman
Ridiculous. Of course it is. I have never seen a loan or job application that has box that has religion that must be checked and verified.
Is the US a theocracy? Of course not. Those who are concerned with the religious bent of the current administration need to be mindful of the power of Vox Populi. The people of the US - at least those who voted - put the man in office.
If you don't like it, run a candidate. Or - as is often the case, vote or cork it; you have no cause to complain that you didn't win if you don't play the game.
Is this country founded on basic Judeo-Christian principles. It most certainly is. Despite the quote from John Adams and others, the US was founded by religiously motivated dissidents, after all.
The formative hotbeds of the American Revolution were cities founded by Puritans and other devout people. Despite that, the Constitution - wisely - carefully seperates formal power of religions from the machinations of government.
One of the reasons that Atheists feel dispossessed is that they don't have an identity.
Finally, all people should be thankful for the work of religious groups. One of the local Catholic hospitals - currently under attack by non-religious state legislators - ate some $40,000,000 in unpaid medical expenses. Catholic Charities - a Roman Catholic relief service - fills the gaping void left in the government's so-called social service umbrella. My local church and others in my Diocese fund homeless shelters, soup kitchens, drug and alcohol counciling programs, health care clinics, halfway houses, food banks, and a host of other assistance programs. the St. Vincent de Paul society gives countless dollars to the needy to pay for oil, rent, bills, or other emergency expense for those in need. I have worked in these shelters and kitchens. I have never asked if you believed in God before I gave you a meal or showed you to a warm bed for the night.
One of the problems with atheism is that in order for it to work, it must be absolute. Many atheists I know have a problem with some of the things I do. During meals, I always say grace. When with others who don't share my faith, I bow my head and say a quick, quiet one. I have had people tell me that THAT offended them. Get over yourself. If your belief system is so fragile that it can't withstand someone behaving in a way that contradicts it, then you have a problem, my friend.
Freedom of religion doesn't just mean freedom FROM religion.
It is also freedom to PRACTICE religion.
But I will say this - when the Atheists of America contribute as much as the people of Faith do, then you can talk with a little more legitimacy.
I find most Atheists to be pretty narcissistic (and no, I am not stereotyping, I am speaking from my experience - so there!).
As a self-centered person, of course they are going to be critical and question the intent of those who do indeed put others before themselves.
To those who will accept it, may God bless you....