Why aren't the people effected by the methane if its concentrated enough to reach the sky and kill the birds? once it starts to dissipate into the atmosphere, it starts to lose its potency. were the canaries close to the mines?

I'm with Snowman on this one. I, too, wondered if HAARP was 100% online.

undo,

It could have leeched out from over the ocean, and rose above habitated land to an altitude that only the birds flew at. That would explain the death of the birds, and not of any humans. Now, I don't know the geography of the region all that well, so I can't say for sure, but that's just my take on this most unusual of cases.

TheBorg

the borg,

What about the vietnam or idaho birds? they are inland. How far inland is Austin?

Originally posted by undo
Why aren't the people effected by the methane if its concentrated enough to reach the sky and kill the birds? once it starts to dissipate into the atmosphere, it starts to lose its potency. were the canaries close to the mines?

Thats what I was thinking too. It would take HUGE amounts of methane to be able to filter miles up and still be concentrated enough to kill this many birds. The amounts needed would have definitely killed any people as they rose too.

I also don't think it was Bird flu. Post mortems have revealed they had signs of poisoning, and if it was H5N1 it would have been very clear to them.

But I'm thinking (wild conspiracy theory coming...) maybe bird flu was created by 'them' to reduce the number of birds, and so hide any potential signs they could be giving us.
I think a suitably significant shift in Earth's magnetic field could potentially have disastrous effects on the avian population. If they are in tune with it a sudden shift could probably send them into shock or something....

Whatever it is, its very weird. And as a non-religious follower of any sort, that Mabus post on the first page is kinda creepy...

If my recent memory is correct, the jet stream has been hanging very far south in the SW portions of the lower 48. This could potentially account for the losses of birds in those areas, but the only thing then for me to explain is how the methane stayed so densely located in the stream. If that could be explained, then we'd be well on our way to making some sort of judgement on this. However, that's not going to happen until the results of those exams come back. I'm waiting anxiously for them.

TheBorg

Reminds me of the movie "The Core". The earths core stops spinning causing wild geo-magnetic fluctuations all around the world causing birds to go wild and fly into the ground and buildings in London. With all the strange weather happening all around the world over the last few years and strange animal behavior and mass deaths of creatures. It would sure seem like we are in a heap of trouble. Someone has mentioned HAARP and I too have always wondered what negative impacts this project has had on the planet. From what I know the atmosphere is a complex system with many different variables but slight changes in those variables has a major effect. The "Butterfly Effect" or chaos theory whichever you prefer.

I guess my point is, that maybe they should suspend research and determine if HAARP is responsible for this wild shift in climate over the recent years or is it something else. In my opinion beaming 1 billion watts of energy at the ionosphere and heating it up to 1500C is going to have some effect on things

I am quite concerned with this phenomenon. I don't think it is bird flu, as that is viral and wouldn't leave a metallic taste in the area, as it did in Austin, Texas.

I am of the opinion that it is a neurotoxin of some sort. I have been keeping notes on my whiteboard. The poison results in Texas showed negative on the birds that died there. However, there are toxins that aren't always apparent upon first analysis.

The metallic taste experienced by the residents suggests something like mercury. or something similiar. The people collecting the birds were wearing hazmets suits which indicates that it is chemical and not viral, if it was viral they would have had to quarantine the public in the area.

I think something was released into the atmosphere, and as birds migrate they picked it up and it caused damage to their neuro pathways hence the inability to fly, convulsions and awkward movements.

I suffer with spastic paraplegia after being exposed to a large number of neurotoxins in gaseous form back in the 80's. Hence, I am of the opinion that it could even be a combination of neurotoxins that has been released into the atmosphere.

So far, here in the UK nothing of that nature has come to light to my knowledge. I will let you know if something crops up in the local news about something similiar, I will let you know.

It seems to be affecting Canada, and the States at the moment. Nevertheless, it has me concerned. I have had seeds of rare plants dropped in my garden from birds. We don't use toxins in our garden at all. We don't believe in it. However, we have noticed a reduction in the number of migratory birds visiting our garden and that does worry me, as some of the birds have travelled from the States.

We did have two bird deaths in our garden. One young bird that fell from it's nest and another one that died from a cat attack. There was a puncture wound. We keep food out for the birds, as their food is not being replenished in the wild. We love watching them come into the garden and hearing them sing.

I will pray that the birds aren't affected here in the UK,as I enjoy listening to them singing. Mind you, the weather hasn't been kind to them, as some started singing their mating songs thinking it was Spring, and not Winter. So, if they lay eggs, and the temps drop there is going to be a substantial loss that way.

This is all starting to make sense to me now. For the last several months while out playing soccer in the park, I've noticed the ducks and geese migrating differently. I've been at this park for over 7 years, play almost everyday, and I started noticing weird patterns this last year.

I just found out about HAARP a few weeks back and was horrified. It's like giving your ten year old a gas can, some M80's, starting fluid, and an open flame, all in your LIVING ROOM!

Could these ELF's be killing birds? It would make WAY more sense than gas emissions. Oh well, it's time to recheck the survival supplies. I think we're all screwed on this one, no matter what the cause is. When mother nature starts dropping like flys all around you, it's a very loud wake up call that something ain't right.

[edit on 10-1-2007 by knows_but_doesnt]

Originally posted by undo
perhaps it's preparatory for an insect invasion. remove the natural predators.

its not just the rise of insects you would get. a lot of plants rely on birds for propogation. the bird eats the seed, flies off, the seed drops out elsewhere and the plant grows there. its all part of the natural food chain!

Originally posted by justyc


its not just the rise of insects you would get. a lot of plants rely on birds for propogation. the bird eats the seed, flies off, the seed drops out elsewhere and the plant grows there. its all part of the natural food chain!

That can't be a good thing. Sounds one heckuvalot like the days of Noah to me.

All this talk of HAARP gave me a new idea... Maybe what's going on is there's too much Ozone(O3) in the air in these areas, causing the birds to suddenly die of oxygen hyperventilation. I know it sounds strange, and even kind of stupid, but too much O2 can kill. In this case, O3 is even worse for you, since the body processes it much faster than regular Oxygen(O2).

Now, O3 hasn't yet been known to kill any humans, but in the quantities that I'm suggesting, they could easily kill birds. This whole idea came to be from rachel07's post about the odd metallic taste that people have reported in TX. True, that could have something to do with a chemical that may have been released from the sugar plant into the atmosphere, but it might also have been a higher-than-normal concentration of O3 in the area.

Something to concentrate on I guess.

TheBorg