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reply posted on 10-1-2007 @ 07:36 AM by Wolfpack 51
www.news.com.au...

This article is on the Austrailian bird deaths today.

I think that they are just guessing.

Very interesting topic, thanks to everyone for their input.


reply posted on 10-1-2007 @ 08:46 AM by Speedtek
I'm surpised nobody has brought this up yet. Methane Hydrates (Clathrates)

According to wikipedia:
Source

Methane clathrate, also called methane hydrate or methane ice, is a form of water ice that contains a large amount of methane within its crystal structure (a clathrate hydrate). Originally thought to occur only in the outer regions of the solar system where temperatures are low and water ice is common, extremely large deposits of methane clathrate have been found under sediments on the ocean floors of Earth.


Take a look at the distribution map at the source, it could account for almost every instance of the foul smells/dead birds. I cannot remember where, but I've seen another map with deposits near Australia.

With the obvious global warming thats taking place, its extremely possible for these deposits destabalizing and changing phase into methane gas, this stuff is very unstable and would probably cause a chain reaction in which massive amounts of methane would be released into the atmosphere.

Also from the same source.


Methane is a powerful greenhouse gas which, despite its atmospheric lifetime of around 12 years, none the less has a global warming potential of 62 over 20 years and 21 over 100 years (IPCC, 1996; Berner and Berner, 1996; vanLoon and Duffy, 2000). The sudden release of large amounts of natural gas from methane clathrate deposits has been hypothesized as a cause of past and possibly future climate changes. Events possibly linked in this way are the Permian-Triassic extinction event, the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum.


Pretty scary, in theory warming seas could release all of this frozen methane, accellerating global warming at a much faster rate than anybody ever expected. And the fact that this type of release is associated with the Permian extinction is _really_ scary.


The Permian-Triassic (P-T or PT) extinction event, sometimes informally called the Great Dying, was an extinction event that occurred approximately 251 million years ago (mya), forming the boundary between the Permian and Triassic geologic periods. It was the Earth's most severe extinction event, with about 96 percent of all marine species and 70 percent of terrestrial vertebrate species becoming extinct[


Mor info here.

It would be interesting to find out if there have been any shipping reports of "bubbling" oceans in these areas, of course the area is so large it would be hard to find.


[edit on 10-1-2007 by Speedtek]


reply posted on 10-1-2007 @ 10:22 AM by NJStomp
Originally posted by Speedtek
I'm surpised nobody has brought this up yet. Methane Hydrates (Clathrates)

According to wikipedia:
Source

Methane clathrate, also called methane hydrate or methane ice, is a form of water ice that contains a large amount of methane within its crystal structure (a clathrate hydrate). Originally thought to occur only in the outer regions of the solar system where temperatures are low and water ice is common, extremely large deposits of methane clathrate have been found under sediments on the ocean floors of Earth.


Take a look at the distribution map at the source, it could account for almost every instance of the foul smells/dead birds. I cannot remember where, but I've seen another map with deposits near Australia.

With the obvious global warming thats taking place, its extremely possible for these deposits destabalizing and changing phase into methane gas, this stuff is very unstable and would probably cause a chain reaction in which massive amounts of methane would be released into the atmosphere.

Also from the same source.


Methane is a powerful greenhouse gas which, despite its atmospheric lifetime of around 12 years, none the less has a global warming potential of 62 over 20 years and 21 over 100 years (IPCC, 1996; Berner and Berner, 1996; vanLoon and Duffy, 2000). The sudden release of large amounts of natural gas from methane clathrate deposits has been hypothesized as a cause of past and possibly future climate changes. Events possibly linked in this way are the Permian-Triassic extinction event, the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum.


Pretty scary, in theory warming seas could release all of this frozen methane, accellerating global warming at a much faster rate than anybody ever expected. And the fact that this type of release is associated with the Permian extinction is _really_ scary.


The Permian-Triassic (P-T or PT) extinction event, sometimes informally called the Great Dying, was an extinction event that occurred approximately 251 million years ago (mya), forming the boundary between the Permian and Triassic geologic periods. It was the Earth's most severe extinction event, with about 96 percent of all marine species and 70 percent of terrestrial vertebrate species becoming extinct[


Mor info here.

It would be interesting to find out if there have been any shipping reports of "bubbling" oceans in these areas, of course the area is so large it would be hard to find.


[edit on 10-1-2007 by Speedtek]



Well no bubbling oceans reported, but we do have this.

"January 8, 2007 -- The environmental "surge" you're not hearing anything about.

According to U.S. maritime industry sources, tanker captains are reporting an increase in onboard alarms from hazard sensors designed to detect hydrocarbon gas leaks and, specifically, methane leaks."

From here > waynemadsenreport.com...


Scroll a little down on the source page.

[edit on 10-1-2007 by NJStomp]


reply posted on 10-1-2007 @ 12:47 PM by Speedtek
I'm willing to bet this is the culprit, I live in Northern NY, and we had our first snowfall last night after a 50 degree winter... VERY odd.

From the same source -


In fact, one of the major sources for increased methane venting is the Hudson Submarine Canyon, which extends 400 miles into the Atlantic from the New York-New Jersey harbor. Another location experiencing increased venting is the Santa Barbara Channel on the California coast.


From another
source.


Methane is odorless so it wouldn't be directly responsible for the stank that New York City and Jersey City experienced Monday, but when the methane starts bubbling up to the surface it is often accompanied by hydrogen sulfide, a byproduct of the bacterial decomposition that occurs on the ocean floor. And the Hudson Submarine Channel would be particularly susceptible to extra-stinky decomposition, as many speculate it is still covered with the sludge and trash of several centuries of the inhabitants of New York City dumping their garbage and sewage directly into the harbor.


And finally to put a nail in the stinky coffin of where this is coming from.

Hey, look, the wind was coming in from the east (the direction of the trench) that day!
Wind Direction & Weather

I'm quite sure our gov knows about this, but why is there no mention of it in the general media?? Go figure! Its alot easier just to blame it on New Jersey.


[edit on 10-1-2007 by Speedtek]


reply posted on 10-1-2007 @ 01:51 PM by Seedless
This is all pretty weird.

I live in Michigan. Remember I am surrounded by bodies of water. December 20th, I got really sick. I NEVER get sick. I had Swollen, white tonsils, and my body ached all over. I can't even describe the pain I was having in my throat.

Anyway, I went to the doctors, and got every test possible. The tests came back negative for Strep, tonsilitis, Mono, Thrush, and they ruled out Bronchitis. My doctor was stumped and said it's most likely a virul infection that can't be detected in tests. She prescribed me Amoxicillin anyway but it didn't help. It went away on it's own by the 27th i believe.

Here's the weird part. After I was sick, at least half of the people I know knew somebody who all of a suddon got extremely ill. Cousins, friends, people I didn't even know were getting sick all on the same day. Then I read on this thread that people are getting sick everywhere.

So, it's January 10th now. Four days ago, my girlfriend woke up and OUT OF NOWHERE her tonsils were completely swelled and the white "stuff" was there as well. Her doctor also couldn't find out what it is. Later in teh day, My throat started to hurt again, and later the white stuff was back. Now i find it very weird that I'm getting the same illness for a 2nd time after I already fought it off once. It cleared up completely yesterday, but my girlfriend still has it. My dad also got it yesterday. No doctors can tell us what it is, and it is extremely ugly looking and VERY painful.

Other things that might be worth mentioning is that my dog is also ill, and a few days ago there were two dead squirrel's in my backyard, with no visable reason for them being dead.

Could this also be connected to the things that have been going on the last couple of weeks? Could the Great Lakes be releasing some sort of undetectable gas that makes creatures ill? I'm very worried about this. I don't want to get sick again.

Someone please tell me how stupid I am and that this is completely unrelated, and I just live in a dirty house or something. But that still doesn't explain the fact that half the people I know are sick right now.

I mean, literally. Out of all the people on Instant Messenger on my buddy list right now, 40% of them have an away message about them being sick or not feeling good.

What's going on?

I really hope you people's paranoia is just rubbing off on me or something.
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