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reply posted on 10-1-2007 @ 05:48 PM by DrLeary
Originally posted by antmax21
There is something in the air coming from below. Of course we know gas rise, liquids fall, so thus it is a gas. No viral infections no subtle changes in organs and convulsions lead to the conclusion that the cause of the bird deaths is still unconclusive...

Check some links on Methane

Methane and The Digestive System

Maybe has some points on why some birds are dying.



Nothing on the health effects of Methane that I can see from glancing through the article. Deals with how to produce methane basically. I'm born and raised on a farm so I know what it is. It has been known to kill entire lifestocks dute to oxygen deprivation and the fact that you can't smell it before you pass out. Also, some poor sod threw a sigarette butt into the manure pool and the whole thing blew up. But that takes very special conditions (you have to stirr the manure in the right way to release the most gas) with no ventilation and breach of every safety protocol. The stuff is harmless when it just mixes with the air and is vented out.


reply posted on 10-1-2007 @ 06:52 PM by soficrow
Originally posted by Speedtek
I'm willing to bet this is the culprit,


In fact, one of the major sources for increased methane venting is the Hudson Submarine Canyon, which extends 400 miles into the Atlantic from the New York-New Jersey harbor. Another location experiencing increased venting is the Santa Barbara Channel on the California coast.


From another
source.


Methane is odorless so it wouldn't be directly responsible for the stank that New York City and Jersey City experienced Monday, but when the methane starts bubbling up to the surface it is often accompanied by hydrogen sulfide, a byproduct of the bacterial decomposition that occurs on the ocean floor. And the Hudson Submarine Channel would be particularly susceptible to extra-stinky decomposition, as many speculate it is still covered with the sludge and trash of several centuries of the inhabitants of New York City dumping their garbage and sewage directly into the harbor.


And finally to put a nail in the stinky coffin of where this is coming from.

Hey, look, the wind was coming in from the east (the direction of the trench) that day!
Wind Direction & Weather

I'm quite sure our gov knows about this, but why is there no mention of it in the general media?? Go figure! Its alot easier just to blame it on New Jersey.




GREAT info Speedtek. Thanks

Have you got anything suggesting that geophysical activity, or heated liquids or gases might raise the temperature of the earth itself? Kind of like radiant heating under a floor?

Thanks, sofi


reply posted on 10-1-2007 @ 09:26 PM by ilandrah
From a news.com.au article on the subject. -- seems some of you guys have made an impact

Source

The story has resonated well with conspiracy theorists however, who have rejected the temperatures or toxins and instead have fingered a host of sinister-sounding technologies or occurences to explain the phenomenon, extending all the way to the “environment warning of other things going on that can’t be seen,” according to one post on NEWS.com.au.


Also, they seem to have a corpse that was euthanised by a local vet and should therefore be fresh enough to provide a more complete autopsy.
Hopefully that will get to the bottom of it all.


reply posted on 10-1-2007 @ 09:56 PM by DontTreadOnMe
I still wonder if it has anything to do with the changes in the magnetic field.

Here's a NOVA article on how magnetic field affect animals:
www.pbs.org...


and more on magnetic flips
They've also learned what happens during a magnetic flip. Reversals take a few thousand years to complete, and during that time--contrary to popular belief--the magnetic field does not vanish. "It just gets more complicated," says Glatzmaier. Magnetic lines of force near Earth's surface become twisted and tangled, and magnetic poles pop up in unaccustomed places. A south magnetic pole might emerge over Africa, for instance, or a north pole over Tahiti. Weird. But it's still a planetary magnetic field, and it still protects us from space radiation and solar storms.

www.nasa.gov...



reply posted on 11-1-2007 @ 05:06 AM by TheBorg
Speedtek,

If you look a couple pages back, you'll see that I mentioned the methane theory quite clearly. We've been tossing that idea around, and it does make some sense. However, I'm still trying to puzzle out how it made it through the jet stream to the locations inland that it did, and still killed with such potency.

The methane ice I didn't know about though. Good find there!!

TheBorg

[Edit to add below...]

According to the
CDC,

Methane is continuously produced in manure pits and released into the air at a steady rate. A colorless, odorless, non-toxic gas that is lighter than air, methane generally dissipates from a confinement building. The primary danger of methane accumulation in a facility is the risk of a fiery explosion from a spark if the methane/oxygen mix is in proper proportions. The risk of fire is greater in a poorly-ventilated structure.

Although non-toxic to humans and livestock, methane can cause asphyxiation if it displaces the oxygen in a closed facility.


Granted it's not toxic in low quantities, but in the amounts we're talking about here, there'd be plenty to do some damage. Methane clouds have been known to choke airplane engines out, and there have been a number that have crashed as a result of this very thing. Non-toxic in low dosage, but like this? Highly deadly.

TheBorg

[edit on 11-1-2007 by TheBorg]
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