Terrorists brewing down under?

Originally posted by Rocky6
I HATE how Americans use their slang, I hate their commercialism, I hate their materialistic values, I hate their common ethics, I hate most of their celebrities, I hate the arrogance of some Americans, I hate their annoying catch phrases, I hate their ignorance and stupidity and I hate a lot of other things about the US!

Jeez. Anything else? Well, I don't like the Wiggles very much, they are extremely annoying and my son made me watch EVERY episode over and over again. So there.

Anyway, sucks you hate us so much, I like Australians and I hope you guys don't suffer any attacks on your soil....

Originally posted by your_evidence
I work for Australian post and for the last few years, Customs and Quarantine have ever tightened things up, they have tracked down thousands of weapons and bombs since 2001, and particularly this year things have gotten even more tight, they targengineering an attack like 9/11,yet i find that hard to happen.

....interesting to hear that about Australia Post. I send quite a lot of stuff to friends in the US and I get stuff back, which normally takes no more than 7 days.....lately it has been taking me forever to get something, even the christmas cards didn't arrive till just before new years eve and I know for a fact they were sent in plenty of time.


So maybe something is going on? Who knows...lets pray nothing does happen.

Originally posted by resistancia
Rocky and others,



I have harboured a growing dislike for the Australian government for a long tme but especially since Howard came to power. I do not like his butt kissing and brown nosing at the hands of the US President.

When George says jump, Johhno asks "How high?"
When you get into bed with dogs...you get out with fleas.

I do not like the US for all the reasons you stated. Australia was just fine without all that American culture. We have slowly become 'a little America' and lost our unique identity.

John Howard has no choice, we are here unprotected in the middle of nowhere, fact is Indonesia could walk in here and take this country any time it pleases if we didn't have US support. My view is that we would've been gone long ago if it wasn't for that fact.
Not to mention that Pine Gap is owned and run by the US still(as far as I know). It's a listening post for the Southern Hemisphere, they're not going to give that up.

I agree that John Howard is arrogant and has all the personality of a doorknob, but he's not stupid! He's been in power for a long time and until
someone better comes along, he'll be there for a while yet.

Little America or Sharia Law, I know which one I'll be choosing.


on a side note: I have no idea where all this American Bashing comes from? I think folks need to remember that American Government and American People are two different things and are not interchangable.


[edit on 2-1-2007 by madhatter]

I have to say that i feel safe in Australia. Probably because i am and Australian and we don't give a **** about most things really

But seriously, i'm that far away from a major terrorist target that i think the only way they'd get me is with a Nuclear fallout. Closest major population centre is Newcastle... and c'mon... no one wants to blow up Newcastle. Too many good nightclubs.

Being serious for a change though, i think Bali WAS our terrorist attack. As previously said by many, it is hard nigh on impossible to smuggle things of terrorist attack magnitude into Australia... so take the next best target. Aussie tourists.

I could go into my whole 'terrorists are the government' rant as well... but thats another story.

AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE!

Originally posted by madhatter

John Howard has no choice, we are here unprotected in the middle of nowhere, fact is Indonesia could walk in here and take this country any time it pleases if we didn't have US support. My view is that we would've been gone long ago if it wasn't for that fact.

[edit on 2-1-2007 by madhatter]

Sorry, but I have to disagree with you there. Yes, Indonesia is the most populace Muslim country in the world and yes they are on our doorstep and yes they are a potential future threat.

NO, they could not walk in and take this country anytime, because as populace as the Indonesians are, they are sooo disorganised that it is not funny. They have so many internal conflicts from tribe to tribe/ island to island/ religion to religion that it would be very hard to immobilise them all for a joint attack on Australia, to defend themselves if they were under attack might work better to resolving some internal differences but not for an attack on us.

Heres an interesting article to read up on; titled 'How to eliminate the military threat from Indonesia'

www.uow.edu.au...

Quote - "A lot of people believe that Australian military forces are necessary to defend against an invasion from Indonesia. But there's a much better way to eliminate the alleged Indonesian military threat: support people's opposition to the Indonesian government. This should be obvious. But to many it is not obvious, because Australian government policy is so self-contradictory."

And in support of your comment, which is based on punlic opinion is this -
titled - 'Indonesia seen as biggest security threat: poll"
www.smh.com.au...
quote - "It quoted a 2001 survey which showed 31 per cent believed Indonesia would be very likely to pose a threat to Australia's security compared with just nine per cent for China, six per cent for Malaysia and five per cent for Japan.

The study showed public support for the defence force had grown steadily, with a 2003 survey revealing 82 per cent confidence in the organisation. Next closest was the ABC at 71 per cent confidence while federal parliament attracted only 40 per cent.

However that doesn't automatically translate as a belief that Australia can defend itself.

In a 2001 poll, just 20 per cent agreed Australia could defend itself while 80 per cent didn't. However, there is a belief that defence is getting better with 53 per cent in 2001 agreeing it was better than it was a decade earlier. "

In response to you Pine Gap quote - "Not to mention that Pine Gap is owned and run by the US still(as far as I know). It's a listening post for the Southern Hemisphere, they're not going to give that up."

Have a read of this - titled 'Ground Truth - Pine Gap'
www.fas.org...

Quote - "Pine Gap, near Alice Springs, employs nearly 1,000 people, mainly from the Central Intelligence Agency and the National Reconnaissance Office. Originally code-named MERINO, it is the ground station for a satellite network that intercepts telephone, radio, data links, and other communications around the world. The facility currently includes a dozen radomes, a 5,600 square meter computer room, and 20-odd service and support buildings. Two of its ground antenna are part of the U.S. Defense Satellite Communications System.

In 1988 a new 10-year lease for the US facilities was signed by then Prime Minister Bob Hawke. The agreement specified a three-year notification period which required the Australian government to give notice in 1995 to close both Nurrungar and Pine Gap in 1998, when the leases come up for renewal. Australia arranged to have greater access to the information collected by the bases."

Also this is pretty informative - titled 'The History of Pine Gap'
roswell.fortunecity.com...
Quote - "SOMETIME IN THE 1960's
United States Government enters in to secret talks with the Australian Government on the topic of constructing a Satellite Relay Station somewhere in Australia's inland. USGS (United States Geological Survey) begins to study geological maps and surveys of inland Australia. In either 1964 or 1965, central Australia is selected as the region to construct the facility. Request is made to the Australian Government to provide suggested locations to construct the facility. Proposed site is offered to the United States of a 25 acre piece of land owned by the Australian Air Force with the option of expanding the land holdings. The site, located only 7 kilometres from the town centre of Alice Springs, is inspected by U.S. Government, but found unsuitable. U.S. Government decides on Alice Springs environs as the site for the future facility."

"1974 - The Australian Government announces that Pine Gap is being controlled by the C.I.A.
Unauthorised photographs and other information from inside the facility are reported to have been sold to Russia."

"1989 - Pine Gap is de-classified. Security is reduced and much of Pine Gap's operations become public knowledge. Pine Gap receives the name change to Joint Defence Space Research Facility Pine Gap"

And just to rehash on the Indonesia as a current threat, please refer to the following article, titled - 'Real World Threats to Australia'
www.rsimpson.id.au...

Quote - "It needs to be understood that currently Indonesia is not a threat. They have no capabilities to threaten us, and no particular desire to do so. It is the hard facts of geography, however, that make Indonesia so vital to our national security and no amount of wishing will make that go away."

"It is in our vital national interest that Indonesia be a friendly nation (as it is in their vital national interest that we be friendly in return). The dilemma for Australia is that some of the internal practices of Indonesia (especially the behaviour of their armed forces against segments of their populations) are morally problematic for us, but equally the disintegration of Indonesia would certainly be a major problem for us, especially if it came apart with a bang."

I honestly beleive that we have more to worry about from internal threats, no, not so called 'home-grown terrorist', but from secret elements within the Federal Government structure that wish to press their plans forward with certain actions as the premise, actions such as 911 in regards to the USA.

Thanks for all the links Melbourne_Militia some interesting and enlightening reading there.

I was basing my claims on something I read some time back by a former Australian Army officer( from a newspaper, not online)

I still maintain though that Indonesia would be a bigger threat to Australia without US support than with. Even if they are not internally united now, how long would it take them to do so?

Thanks again for the links.

Interesting stuff. I wonder how different things would be if there was no water between Australia and Indonesia. If Indonesia decides to invade, their biggest issue would be getting here quick enough in big masses, to be able to launch an attack.

I think Australia are pretty well equipped military wise, but I just still think that our link with the US still kind makes that barrier between us and Indonesia just a little bit further apart.

Yes, I agree that our military links should never be cut, regardless of political differences that may arise, I beleive we are above that.

One thing that I dont understand about Johnny Howard is that he will not support the seperatist movement in West Papua - I know he wants to keep the peace with Indonesia, but a united Papua, would be a major security boost for Australia, in that we could have a decent forward base right on the doorstep of Indonesia and use it as a first stage buffer against any threat from the north in any form.

melbourne militia, you have hit it on the head.]
how will indonesia attack us??
thru the top end?
mmmmmmm no. they dont have the knackers to do it, or the organised
fighting force.
its not '42 now, darwin is better prepared now.
i agree, we should support papua, they supported us back then.
do some of u think we are helpless without u.s help???
go look back at your history , ask your grandperants of days gone by,
i will agree that u.s alleigance is a thing we should keep, but.
bowing to the master is no waY to live.
we should be standing up ,for what is in our interest's here, in oz,
not the the u.s, and their sham war on terror.

btw, i know the difference between u.s politiccs, and the u.s people
i support the latter

But who knows what the future might hold for Australia? What happens if say in 20+ years time, something happens where we are being attacked by Japan? (God knows why, just an example....)

rocky, if we new what would happen 20+ years from now
we would take action now.
they tried 50 odd years back, n that failed.
and we dont have pig iron bob in power. but we do have
nucleer johnny, but hopefully that wont pan out.

Huh? But what if in 2030, we're under attack without any military ties with the US?

rocky6
Huh? But what if in 2030, we're under attack without any military ties with the US?


where is the u.s getting their uranium from now??
we,oz, being 1 of(not the largest,but 1 of)the largest producers of uranium,
and the u.s being 1 of the largest users of uranium, where do u think they will get it????
they either ,(a) trade ,and stay allied with us,and us with them or
(b) overtake us and ensure their supply.
somehow , b , does not seem likely.
so, i dont see us being out in the cold anytime soon.
pine gap, and exmouth(supposedly defunct now) are of to much interest to the u.s war machine.
besides, what better outpost than oz? to suit THEIR needs

i wrote this drunk after 2007 nye i found it interesting the red hanger on the harbour bridge like it was provoking terroist activity in oz land i found the themes for sydneys nye interesting i forgot to mention the cyclone off australia how w.a i belive this could be haarp testing in aus i think the mayor of sydney is very informed of technologies and is connected to an inner ring of knowledge and gives out crpytic messages to people call it crazy what ever .... jhon howard wasnt impressed with the 600 k she spent on chistmass decorations in sydney but i think he wasnt happy with her nye presintation and its themes and hidden messages

durring the cronula riots alot of people in high power of muslim belief went to lakember mosque these people where heavily survade by govenment satelite i aso belief it was a great sucsess counter teroism measures seieng that this was very good for identifing possible terroists and knowledge of were they live and capable measures of tracking there daily activities
australia is always going to have Erroist attaks but were powerfull and incontroll of alot of our saftey probably more so than most weastern countries we have had a few counter terroist wins like the banks town chemical truck shooting the muslim from home and away who was an extremist

i belief our most danger lies in people like that qld teacher who worked alone and made a pipe bomb these smal;l groups who take no orders to execute attacks and work lone or in small groups like a hand full are our most dangerous

when the news reported nitric acid in huge countainers on the a train line
that could be used in a terroist attak the forgot to mention it was carring patrik containers and they never mention it again they didnt mention it left hornsby the end of sydneys train line it left around 930-10

i actually saw the train on pennant hills train station it had about 20 carrages sum were in liquid gas containers other in shipping containers going north to new castle i aso noticed that there were 10-15 or so patrik and the rest were cold storage freight companies ive never seen containers patrick are millitary gov logistic company it could have been a test for terroist activity or the were movie this chem for saftey for counter teroism eg explosives or measures for rocket fuel for our east coast air bases


www.abovetopsecret.com...

w.act.nato.int/organization/transformation/cde04presentations/4novstabilityopsbo/bowley.ppt+Australian+Defence+Science+and+Technology+Organ isation&h

thought this was interesting

72.14.253.104...:GdXWk6vR56cJ:www.act.nato.int/organization/transformation/cde04presentations/4novstabilityopsbo/bowley .ppt+Australian+Defence+Science+and+Technology+Organisation&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=26&client=opera" target="_blank" class="postlink">little gov report for nato

Gee, how drunk are you?

Anyway, yes some interesting stuff going around. Stuff that probably cannot be explained which leads be to believe that something could be brewing down here.

If there was a terrorist organisation down here, where do you think they would be residing? This country is huge, plenty of desert, plenty of forest, plenty of hideouts. I guess this is where they could be manufacturing these explosives, and planning their attack.

Just pulled this off breaking news


Guy being charged over theft of rocket launchers in September 06



www.news.com.au...




[edit on 4-1-2007 by resistancia]

OMG, this bloke was arrested literally 2 minutes away from where I live! Insane.

Good arrest BTW. This is what I mean - How many more of these guys are there? When will (if they do) they attack? Are they connected to any well known terrorist groups? Home grown?

Some questions that I guess will probably never been answered until we're under attack.

Well we need to know how people are getting there hands on this stuff.

My son (in the army) tells me that weaponry like this would be locked up in a secure compound that only certain military personnel can have access to.

I can not help but think that again, it's our own people stealing this stuff and passing it onto others.

Hope i am wrong...I would rather it be proved that none of our military or government are behind this.




[edit on 5-1-2007 by resistancia]