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Terrorists brewing down under?

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posted on Jan, 2 2007 @ 03:38 AM
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Okay... I would rather we had an attack, with all the tragedy involved, than we locked Australia down into some Authoritarian, Paranoid state.

We are of course already heading down that path, but you can't lockdown your life with the fear that maybe, just maybe, there is a bomb on your morning train.

Live Free. And if in the end that's what kills ya, well, it could just have easily been a car crash or a heart attack.




posted on Jan, 2 2007 @ 03:44 AM
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Originally posted by emjoi
Okay... I would rather we had an attack, with all the tragedy involved, than we locked Australia down into some Authoritarian, Paranoid state.

We are of course already heading down that path, but you can't lockdown your life with the fear that maybe, just maybe, there is a bomb on your morning train.

Live Free. And if in the end that's what kills ya, well, it could just have easily been a car crash or a heart attack.


I don't believe we're going down that path at all. I think, Australians in general are less fearful of a terrorist act than we were back in 2001. It's the government and federal police that are doing the over-kill.

I brought up this topic to discuss the possibility of an attack, but to be honest it never really enters my mind when I am out, same goes for most Australians. There will always be a few instances that occur every now and again where I might be somewhere and think about he possibility, but it doesn't affect my way of life or the way I live. i think I can speak for a lot of other Australians too.

I strongly believe that Australians in general are NOT in lockdown mode. The only time this might occur is when/if something occurs on our home soil.



[edit on 2-1-2007 by Rocky6]



posted on Jan, 2 2007 @ 03:58 AM
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As mentioned previously it is our government that is the true terrorist and terorist supporter and screw them if they want to "Echelon" me because Im as patriotic as the next bloke and will defend my right to free speech to the end!


In regards to the topic of whether a terrorist attack will happen in Australia, my answer is a definite yes, and the two incidents that have caused me to beleive this are the following ones -

"Spies on trail of stolen army rocket launches"
www.theaustralian.news.com.au...

"AUSTRALIA'S peak intelligence and spy agencies will lead a nationwide audit of the defence force's weapons and munitions stocks amid fears a cache of rocket launchers and explosives have been stolen and sold to criminal gangs and terrorists"

"It is suspected the launchers were stolen with inside military help."

Aswell as this incident which is the most concerning one -

Titled - "Stink over fertiliser theft"
"IT'S a worry that 400 kilograms of ammonium nitrate was stolen from a freight train near Newcastle three weeks ago. The fertiliser was the main ingredient of bombs that killed 225, including 92 Australians, in Bali and it is supposed to be strictly controlled."
Sun Herald 29/10/2006

Titled - "Stolen explosives exceeds that used in Bali blast"
"THE amount of potentially explosive ammonium nitrate missing from a rail freight car in NSW exceeds the amount used in the lethal bombings at Bali's Jimbaran Bay 12 months ago, according to a security expert."
The Age 27/10/2006

I couldnt find anymore info on google about the above events, I was lucky I found mention of these in a nes archive website, which doesn't surprise me for when it happend there was hardly any mention on the mass media either.

This is freightening because supposedly its 4 times the amount of fertilizer that was used in the Bali bombs. Not only that, but just sit back for a moment and think of the logistics involved in raiding a stationary train, and the manpower needed to remove 4 tonnes of fertilizer, the amount of trucks or four wheel drives needed, you'd need at least 15-20 people in the raid, and I do not think some rag tag rag-heads from Syney or Melbourne could have pulled it off, or bikie gangs. This was an organised raid sponsored by the federal government for a future terrorist act, most likely in the lead-up to this years election, especially now that the opposition party has a slight lead in popularity.

This, is a major incident that received minor attention....WHY?

Smell of an aussie 911 in the making!



posted on Jan, 2 2007 @ 04:17 AM
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There was a thread on ATS about the fertiliser theft (I recall because I had not long joined) and I remember seeing the rocket launcher thefts in the national media...albeit a bit downplayed. Just enough to plant the seed.

I find myself concurring with you...it is only a matter of time before we have a home grown 'terrorist' attack. The US with 9/11 then the Brits with their London underground and buses. We must be next and 2007 could be our year girls and boys !!


Bunch of sickos



posted on Jan, 2 2007 @ 05:07 AM
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Sorry guys, I get a bit hot under the collar about the blatant lying on issues that will clearly invoke fear and hostility in our community, and at the just as blatant media complicity. Its pretty sad, being treated like an idiot irks me. Todays revelation of Tony Abbott and the centacare thing has me cranky...

Anyway, back on topic, forgive me.

I asked "where's the war?" and ATS delivers. Thanks Melbourne, GREAT post, nailed it. Those are very disturbing articles, I guess I was thinking on a much smaller scale, its hard to convieve of a massive attack. I am not surprised to hear minimal media reporting, its a collossal debacle, if that much stuff has gone missing.

Melbourne does raise some pretty horrible background information that could easily be seen as a "production ready" terror event - scary thought that our military may be involved. He is right about the planning needed to pinch the fertiliser etc, if these are not isolated events, its a pretty nasty "big picture" that certainly, in worst case, would result in great loss of life.

Any of the thefts have enough fire power to be a very bad thing.

I'm not keen of the idea of rockets in the CBD, and do use public transport as often as not.

I guess we would never really know of govt involvement (I struggle with this thought, I really do, surely they are not thaaaat crazy), or just the other guys being good soldiers, well trained etc.

While I doubt that many Australians on this board would change their behaviour in the event of an attack, its not really about us, its about your average aussie.

I can easily see a segment of the Australian population being cowed enough to do pretty much all the stuff most folks do in these situations. Stupid street level violence, mostly.

For example, Id HATE to see what would happen after such an attack, given current internal tensions between non-christian, non-white aussies. I reckon that if someone blew up a bunch of god fearing white families, in say, a city Macca's......or a train load or ten... there would be hell to pay.....

I also think emergency services would be well orchestrated, but maybe hospitals might struggle. I'd like to think the Govt has that stuff down pretty well.

I think we are at a great crossroad, how we behave as a community will be crucial in the horrible event of an attack on our soil. I will continue to hope we evade it entirely.

Good thread



posted on Jan, 2 2007 @ 05:17 AM
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Hey...just pulled this off breaking news

www.news.com.au...





[edit on 2-1-2007 by resistancia]



posted on Jan, 2 2007 @ 05:36 AM
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Originally posted by Zenspider

No offense to you, but id rather slam my penis in a car door than believe the media or govt in this country.

Where is the damned war?


Mate I agree with you for the most part - thats why I'm no longer a Liberal PArty member and no longer work for the Government.

However in terms of National Security its not really the government you have to believe in - its the military and the Fed Police/ASIO etc.

And trust me - they are just normal people who dont want their friends, family and neighbours hurt or killed in terrorist attacks.

The Government will use those kind of things to drum up support - while the Servicemen / servicewomen just do their job the best that they can because they want us all to be safe.



posted on Jan, 2 2007 @ 05:51 AM
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ezekiel,

My son is going to beautiful downtown Baghdad soon (he is a specialist in the Australian Army). He just turned 25, my eldest. I encouraged him to enter the army in 2000, there was no threat of war and we knew he would be given skills that he could eventually take into a civilian career.

Do you understand my anger at our involvement in this bogus, illegal war ?

I cry as I write this and will never forgive the Australian government for not having the balls to stand aside from their allegiance to the USA. I will never forgive myself.

It is very difficult for me to be objective at times...


Yes, our servicemen and women have the added burden of the fear their family holds and their duty to the country.



posted on Jan, 2 2007 @ 05:53 AM
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i have to agree with melbourne militia.

Smell of an aussie 911 in the making!

but, is 400kg of fert that big?
100kg to the pallett. thats only 4 palletts.i could load that out on my own in under an hour
girt by sea....yeap.we are
have you been across the top by sea?
say cairns to broome?
i have many times back in the 80s - early 90s when i was fishing for a living.
its a wide open road so to speak.granted security SHOULD be alot
better now.
But is it,a few boatloads of refugee's getting to ashmore reef say's different.
when fishing off the nor west coast up nth of derby .the coast watch plane
used to circle us and ask if we seen any suss boats.
that plane would fly from broome to darwin, thats a lot of area to put under survelance for 1 plane.
a terror attack(be it govt sponsored or other) IS only a matter of time here.
but i dont live my life constantly in fear of it.
the racial bit mentioned by a previous poster. it didnt just start with the lebs in sydney. its been going on since the early 70s and to a lesser extent
before that.


wasn't the assasination of john newham???(sydney pollie) back in the early
90s a terrorist act???

i read today on local abc that a rocket launcher was discovered at a tip in yeppoon
if mr magoo(lil johnny howard) see's things going bad for him and his
cronies, he may just ask his buddies in power else where to give him a
helping hand, maybe with a uranium sweetner.
and then we have oz 11/9



posted on Jan, 2 2007 @ 05:56 AM
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Mr Magoo



Hey I needed a laugh...thanks matey



posted on Jan, 2 2007 @ 06:00 AM
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Originally posted by cranialspunge


.........wasn't the assasination of john newham???(sydney pollie) back in the early
90s a terrorist act???




I thought he was killed by a political rival? I could be wrong.....not sure of the spelling of his name so I couldn't find a link sorry.



posted on Jan, 2 2007 @ 06:03 AM
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Originally posted by resistancia
ezekiel,

I take on board what you have said but I can not help but believe that our
Australian government keeps 'terrorism' in our faces. I quite frankly, am sick of the hype, overkill and scare mongering.

Johnny gets on TV and it's "...we must not let the terrorists win' or "... terrorists this and terrorists that"

I strongly resist the paranoia of 'terrorism' as I am more afraid of what our government hasbeen cooking up with GWB and the NWO.



Its like Rocky said. Its better for them to over do it a little - because they have to in order for people to take notice - and to have people more aware of the problem.

If they didn't, something would happen and all of a sudden it would be their fault because nothing was done etc etc.

At the end of the day, a lot of the politicians (especially the lower profile ones and 'non-career' politicians) are real people with real fears and real concerns.

They have friends and families that have real jobs and do everyday things. They dont want the fabric of society disturbed too much because it would affect their friends and family just as much as the next person.



posted on Jan, 2 2007 @ 06:10 AM
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madhatter, you may be right on the rival . i think from memory.
it was to do with the asian's in sydney.
on a side note
mr mago(john howard)
ogie doggie(gw jn) doggie daddy(gw snr) foghorn leghorn(yassar arrafat)
the list goes on
why do people in power resemble cartoon characters????



posted on Jan, 2 2007 @ 06:18 AM
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Originally posted by resistancia
ezekiel,

My son is going to beautiful downtown Baghdad soon (he is a specialist in the Australian Army). He just turned 25, my eldest.


Thank you for raising a son who has the courage and the honor to serve in the defence force. You must be really proud




I encouraged him to enter the army in 2000, there was no threat of war and we knew he would be given skills that he could eventually take into a civilian career.

Do you understand my anger at our involvement in this bogus, illegal war ?


I can understand your anger. As a parent it is completely natural to feel concern for your children and in turn be upset with the situation he is in.

Please believe that I mean no dis-respect by saying, that even though there was no threat of war in 2000 - by joining the army there was always going to be a chance that he would have to serve in a conflict of some description.

I tried out for the airforce (wanted to be a pilot) and was rejected because I am colour blind. I wanted to take advantage of the training I would receive but it was made very clear to me that I would be in life threatening situations throughout my service. I had no problem with this because its all part of the package.



I cry as I write this and will never forgive the Australian government for not having the balls to stand aside from their allegiance to the USA. I will never forgive myself.

It is very difficult for me to be objective at times...



I can understand how it would be hard to be objective with your son in the situation he is in. However, the USA is probably the most important ally we could have.

Consider our position in the world. We are the only Western Christian Nation in the Asia Pacific Region. We are surrounded by Eastern / Muslim nations that have shown a number of times that they have very little regard for Australians apart from the tourist dollars we pump into their economy.

In terms of National Security it is far better to have the US firmly allied, rather than loosely aligned. Think back to Kokoda, and WWII when the Japanese came all the way down to Papau New Guinea. If not for the combined Allied forces it could have been a much different scenario for Australia.



posted on Jan, 2 2007 @ 07:53 AM
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I work for Australian post and for the last few years, Customs and Quarantine have ever tightened things up, they have tracked down thousands of weapons and bombs since 2001, and particularly this year things have gotten even more tight, they target several country's that are prone to send weapons into the country, x-raying every single parcel and mail coming to the country and following strict procedures.

Weapons already being illegal to own without license on home soil already makes it even harder to acquire weapons and explosives. I'm guessing it is actually really hard for who ever wants to do harm with such weapons.

So we come to the conclusion that it's very hard to bring weapons into the country,also in the airport Customs and Quarantine have tightened their procedures. The only way that something could happen would be engineering an attack like 9/11,yet i find that hard to happen.



posted on Jan, 2 2007 @ 08:03 AM
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Originally posted by resistancia
ezekiel,

My son is going to beautiful downtown Baghdad soon (he is a specialist in the Australian Army). He just turned 25, my eldest. I encouraged him to enter the army in 2000, there was no threat of war and we knew he would be given skills that he could eventually take into a civilian career.

Do you understand my anger at our involvement in this bogus, illegal war ?

I cry as I write this and will never forgive the Australian government for not having the balls to stand aside from their allegiance to the USA. I will never forgive myself.

It is very difficult for me to be objective at times...


Yes, our servicemen and women have the added burden of the fear their family holds and their duty to the country.




Don't cry. Be proud. Because I am. I am proud of every single one of those men who go there and do what they gotta do. When your son joined the army, I am sure he was fully aware that something could break out one day. And I bet he is proud to represent this great country.

Are you only upset with our government because of the fact that your son was sent to war and you're worried about him? If you're son wasn't in the army, would you have the same opinion on the war?

Don't having a go at you - Just curious.

When the war started brewing, I was just turning 18. I cried and cried. Why? Because I was afraid of going to war. I was afraid that I would get the call up from the army to join a war which, at the time, I believe was ridiculous. It was one of the most frightening things ever. So I can see where you're coming from - My view on the matter was clouded by the fact that I was afraid of going to war.

Now that I am a little older and wiser, I see things a little more objectively.

As for our stance on terror? I guess it's made us a bigger target. But trust me, our allegiance with the US might come back to save our arses one day.



posted on Jan, 2 2007 @ 08:12 AM
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Originally posted by Rocky6
As for our stance on terror? I guess it's made us a bigger target. But trust me, our allegiance with the US might come back to save our arses one day.



Hey Rocky,

I know that comment wasnt for me - but I had to say that its refreshing to see a fellow Aussie ATS'r with that attitude!

Theres so much Anti Americanism going around lately....

Kinda scary cos it plays right into the Terrorists Hands.



posted on Jan, 2 2007 @ 09:37 AM
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Well mate, to be honest I have mixed feelings about the US. I do believe our relationship with them is something VERY important, but....there is a big BUT........












I HATE how Americans use their slang, I hate their commercialism, I hate their materialistic values, I hate their common ethics, I hate most of their celebrities, I hate the arrogance of some Americans, I hate their annoying catch phrases, I hate their ignorance and stupidity and I hate a lot of other things about the US!

But as you can see, those things are TRIVIAL!
I hope I didn't offend any of you Yanks - But it's normal for people to hate the US for those trivial things. Sorry guys, you just annoy the hell out of me sometimes. In saying that, the US has plenty of good things too, but I am just yet to discover them. I am hoping to venture out to the US one day though.


Sorry to go off topic! But yes, when it comes to our alliance with the US, there is so much anti-American stuff that a lot of Australians like to go on about. Our stance with them on the war on terror might have made us a bigger target, and heck, maybe 100+ Aussie might not have been killed in Bali if John Howard didn't kiss GWB's arse, but with all the crap going on in this world, and with our not-so-stable relationship with Indonesia, it's our best bet to be kissing the arse of the US.

Rocky.



posted on Jan, 2 2007 @ 09:37 AM
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ezekiel yes ,the japanese did come all the way down to papua,
also darwin,wyndham,broome.
the germans sunk the sydney of carnarvon.
also, the majority of soldiers in the papuan conflict were aussie diggers.


AUSTRALIAN TROOPS HAD, AT MILNE BAY, INFLICTED ON THE JAPANESE THEIR FIRST UNDOUBTED DEFEAT ON LAND .. SOME OF US MAY FORGET THAT, OF ALL THE ALLIES, IT WAS THE AUSTRALIANS WHO FIRST BROKE THE INVINCIBILITY OF THE JAPANESE ARMY. (FIELD-MARSHAL SIR WILLIAM SLIM

www.battleforaustralia.org.au...

www.battleforaustralia.org.au...


dont worry rocky, conscription hasnt been around since vietnam

hope our diggers get a better welcome home than they did back then.



posted on Jan, 2 2007 @ 04:51 PM
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Rocky and others,

We knew that if a conflict happened he would go. He went to Timor, I was not upset about that...worried for him but not nearly as stressed. More like we thought that Oz would be playing policeman in our own region. We never expected a war with our military as a coalition force in a bogus WOT or WMD's that were never found and I strongly suspect were never there.

I have harboured a growing dislike for the Australian government for a long tme but especially since Howard came to power. I do not like his butt kissing and brown nosing at the hands of the US President. Did any of you notice how nuclear tech was not an issue until just after he came after visiting GWB last time ? Why ? Because GWB has been in his ear.

When George says jump, Johhno asks "How high?"
When you get into bed with dogs...you get out with fleas.

I do not like the US for all the reasons you stated. Australia was just fine without all that American culture. We have slowly become 'a little America' and lost our unique identity. That vexes me greatly. Do not get me started on trade agreements...and buying al our little companies...our government has a responsibility to help our businesses thrive, not run 'em into the ground and let the yanks come in to buy the famous name. I could go on, I will refrain.

Anyway still very proud but wishing my son were going to contribute to something CONstructive, rather than DEstructive based on lies.

Do you really think the US will save our sorry Aussies arses if the time comes ?

Thanks for supporting our men and women during this conflict.

I feel like I hijacked the thread
Lets get back to it...stay safe




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