Rats! I'll guess I'll have to go and take mine out of the ice tray. Would an ice gun be able to shoot fire bullets though?

Originally posted by MarkLuitzen
what if they uses gasses to fire and cool a liqued. you've got those high pressure cleanig devices.

Exactly.

They would be using pressurized gases to give the ice bullet momentum.

I am going with your explanation.

I confess I didn't read all the replies, but in the pages I read Inever find mentioned the pressure related melting point issue.
And not only proppellant presure must be considered but also the tremendous acceleration a bullet is submited (I have no ideea but I think is hundreds of "g".

(btw people keep speaking of "gees" as if they were a lot of them. Fortunately for us there is only one : the gravitatinal acceleration of Mama Earth So in fact there are acceleration x times grater than g The same goes fot Mach but that is a bigger problem as there are many of them, one for each air density and temperature. In fact the mach1 car record holder was much quicker than the Mach1 X plane )

Back to our sheep, the ice bullet.
I saw someone already mentioned the shattering problem

So in my oppinion, if there is a chance of firing a letal ice bullet a large caliber shotgun loaded with a blank should eject a sabot made by a shock absorbant/heat insulator material (as cork or balsa)

The cavity inside the sabot must be waterproof so even if the ice melts under pressure it remains there and it will refreeze as the sabot leaves the barel and the pressure drops. There might be a chance this way.

Still as the original myth was about leaving no evidence, the contraption needed to succesfully launch a lethal piece of ice plus the gear needed to conserve the ammo until firinf ocasion occures maake me think it was never used either by clever criminals nor by governamental agents

Long, boring, but...

Originally posted by Lucifer
I find the discussion of violence, war and the like as primitive, unevolved and the obvious self-empowerment a one attempts to enjoy by sharing fear-based garbage like that. Sorry sniper talkers but there must be a little too much need in you for hairless-monkey talk like that! Who but a feeble and weak being believes that their life holds any value over another's by general majority? A killing-minded person has a definate disadvantage in personal growth and development, for that is just so animal mentality. This site is for intellectual and personal vision I thought.

Well buddy, why are you on the "above top secret" forums which OBVIOUSLY refer to aliens, area 51, guns, violence all that slipshod and if you dont lke it why are you browsing the WEAPONARY forums?

Some people. i just despair...

But in any case, a ice bullet could be possible if it was possible to make a ice gun or some kind of freezer built into the gun itself, and of course it would only be effective in the snow, cold temperatures.

[edit on 28-7-2010 by Militan]

Originally posted by Gazrok
Well, the easiest thing to do would be to just stab someone with a really good icicle, hehe....

No evidence, no prints, and if not found real soon, would put off the time of death about two hours...

Of course any real assassin wirth his salt knows that the best assassinations are ones that look like suicides or accidents.

With a gun, of course, you're usually opting for suicide...so there's another option with ice...

First, you capture the victim and drug them up with some fairly untracable muscle relaxers (they do exist) or sedatives...(if need be, you can even match some trace elements to food served as a "last meal" ). Then, you have a carved pedestal made of dry ice (to hold the gun at a believable angle), as well as a piece of dry ice between the hammer of a revolver... You can go somewhere, have an alibi, and then let the dry ice melt (leaves no water), gun goes off, kills victim in chair (after forcing victim to previously fire gun of course, after the relaxants, and in another location...this will give the proper powder burns, etc. and fingerprints), and rest of ice melts into vapor... Looks like the victim shot himself... Especially well if a note is added, but that could be tricky....

Gazrok,
Umm...you know, that is awfully specific to be thought up on the spur of the moment! Me thinks you have thought about this in great detail before, and perhaps run it through your mind on more than one occasion...remind me to never cross you!!

I'm no genius, but here are my ideas.

Pykrete is definatley strong enough, might be too low in mass though. Maybe exchange or supplement the saw dust with a heavy metal, like gold or preferably something radioactive with a high mass. Then it could be fired from a standard rifle with minimal melting. This would eliminate extensive training on a new weapon. Maybe add a (Censored) based poison in case of non-fatal hit. Expensive yes, plausible maybe, untracable no. Gold infused pykrete bullets would be one serious calling card for an assassin.

disclaimer: DO NOT DO THIS, EVER!!!

[edit on 6-8-2010 by Azrael Falls]

Sad news, lol

Dan Brown talks about Ice bullets in his book deception point makes it sound pretty cool.

Maybe if the gun doesn't use gun powder,
Did they try it with an air gun with cold air?

What I would be more interested in is the Ice knife, stabbing someone with a knife and the evidence melting.

Maybe if the gun doesn't use gun powder,
Did they try it with an air gun with cold air?

What I would be more interested in is the Ice knife, stabbing someone with a knife and the evidence melting.

Apparently everyone is dead set on air powered. Let see what is readily available and uses compressed gas to fire projectiles? Think outside the box here people.

Originally posted by Shamanator

I kind of suspect it would be possible with normal Ice as well but I have a feeling mythbusters wouldn't have shown a successful test either way.

I think Pykrete would work well as a bullet.... and the bit I quoted is very true.
You think if something like that worked, that they'd be allowed to show people? Never.

Pykrete is really neat stuff... maybe I'll make some, just to have it sitting around hehe.

Ice bullets are indeed possible its just a matter of what your shooting them out of.




Ice gunz!

Well IMI in Israel were experimenting with disc shaped rounds for combat shotguns, so why not develope ammunition from ice?

It is theoretically possible with CO2/Nitrogen dry ice, provided a conventional weapon is NOT used as the firearm.

In theory, Gallium could be used because it is stable (solid) at room temperatures but would melt in a human body.

Originally posted by Lucifer
I find the discussion of violence, war and the like as primitive, unevolved and the obvious self-empowerment a one attempts to enjoy by sharing fear-based garbage like that. Sorry sniper talkers but there must be a little too much need in you for hairless-monkey talk like that! Who but a feeble and weak being believes that their life holds any value over another's by general majority? A killing-minded person has a definate disadvantage in personal growth and development, for that is just so animal mentality. This site is for intellectual and personal vision I thought.

Wow. When even Lucifer himself abjures violence and war, you know something heavy is up.

What about using Salt Bullets, anybody seen kill bill, the guy shooting salt with a shotgun?

I just had the most brilliant idea..... Couldnt you make a bullet out of that goop that turns into a soild when force is applied to it? It would seemingly melt away would it not?