Ice Bullet not possible!

you can cut metal using water, so why not bullets then?

see this:






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At first I thought about some kind of substance made with gypsum or something with endothermic properties, but then I realized that the answer is salt. If you use the right kind of salt, you give the target a heart attack to go along with his flesh wound.

the way i think to make the ice bullitt work would be to incase the ice projectile in a metal jacket and then freeze the jack as well as hace the ice bullitt protect form the gun powder by a thin heat resistant material. when the gun powder heats the case it should be heated to normal temp and the ice projectal should those still be frozen and the heat resistant would stop the gun powder from melting it. the jacket would then peel of leaving nothing but the ice bullitt.

Never really thought about this but just reading the thread brought one thing into my mind

Pykrete



There were plans to make Ice aircraft carriers out of this stuff in WW2 the increased strength I think would make a melting bullet possible.

I kind of suspect it would be possible with normal Ice as well but I have a feeling mythbusters wouldn't have shown a successful test either way.

Recalling the ice ships that were almost made in the last World War, having added sawdust which eliminated quick thawing and shattering of the ice...maybe something frozen in this way would at least propell the projectile in a scatter array.
Any thoughts?

Also, in reply to Lucifer's page one reply, I thought I would add a link to the origins of Snipers.

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They should have tried a dry-ice slug, about an inch long. That would withstand the heat from the gun, the pressure and still provide a hard projectile.

What you need is a frozen mercury bullet. using liquid nitrogen.
I'd like to see a memory metal bullet. Once fired changes shape and leaves no evidence of barrel scaring.

The mythbusters were trying it with a 6.5x55 rifle. That is just dumb, of course it wont work in a rifle.

It will work in a large caliber revolver with reduced loads. It also works as a shotgun slug. You open one end of the shell, take out the shot, and put some water in there, freeze it, and viola, you have an ice bullet. You have to keep the water off the powder however, either with a plastic wad, or otherwise. You have to store the ice ammo in the freeze, and use it shortly after taking it out. It helps to keep the gun in the freezer until it is time for use as well.

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I do not want to give someone a bad idea

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I just watched (on Google video) black and white 1960s era footage of Senate CIA hearings where they were passing around, looking at, and asking the CIA director about a special CIA dart gun that shoots a very small poisoned ice darts at point blank range (looked like it had a Co-2 tank on top of the barrel) just under the skin of the victim who would then have a heart attack(poison induced and untraceable)
I think they planned on using it on Castro

So just say you crush the ice and pack it sooo tightly under extreme pressure, and then you fire it out of the gun using highly compressed air / gas (which of course is extremely cold..... that there is going to be tooo much heat?

If you're really set on firing ice, use a large bore and fire it with compressed gas. I've broken through the screens of old CRT monitors using a 1.5 inch diameter ice projectile fired from a compressed air smoothbore. At about 90 psi, it'll pierce an inch of plywood.

This wouldn't exactly make sense as a covert assassination weapon; the result would look like blunt trauma; which shouldn't leave much evidence either. there's also be a fairly sizable puddle, with that much ice.

Remember; Ice is lighter than water per volume, since it floats on water, and water is much lighter per volume than metal, which quickly sinks in it. Ice is brittle. Ice bullets would not do well with rifling, nor supersonic speeds. You can't rely on sheer kinetic energy with ice projectiles, because they'll break apart. You have to rely on momentum. as it has little mass for it's volume compared to metal, to get good momentum, you need a relatively large projectile.

There might be some merit on using a small caliber low velocity smooth bore to fire ice bullets tipped with deadly poison, but if you're firing poison, there's all kinds of other nasty tricks that don't require refrigerated ammunition storage.

this coming from a person with the user name LUCIFER

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Well I can answer this with confidence...no way! There is no ice bullet, I work for the Army as a civilian at Fort Belvoir Va where R&D is done all the time on the newest weapons and night vision/thermal imaging and if you know the physical attributes that make up a weapon and propel a bullet...you would laugh at this just like me.

I would love to see the bolt mechanism for this.

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Judging people by their choice of username is pretty low.

Though I must say, I don't know what Lucifer is doing in the weapons subforum if he feels that way.

An ice bullet may could possibly be fired from a high pressure air rifle as it would not melt the bullet.