Originally posted by IAF101
Trust me Vagabound
Would somebody, anybody, please confirm for me that my name appears as The Vagabond? That blasted "u" always seems to make it into my name when somebody disagrees with me.
the Israelis dont give a fart about the Europeans and why should they?
Because one of their generals subtly asked for permission to shoot at you, and you responded by shooting at them? Granted, nobody particularly wants to be seen kicking Israel's arse given the inexplicable subservience of evangelical Americans to a bunch of Kazar converts who Yaweh never gave a care for, but there is a minute chance of things going bad if Israel doesn't remember that it only exists because the West is amused by how badly it irks the Muslims.
Half if not all of Europe uses American weapons and american planes and american ships.
Last I checked, that would be considered to work in Europe's favor. That being said, the Euros aren't wholly dependent on America either. The neat thing about having a GDP significantly larger than Israel's is that there's a lot you can do on your own.
Most people are Judging the IDF with its performance in Lebanon this past year, which any IDF officer will tell you hardly a fraction of their real potential was utilized due to various political reasons.
There hasn't been a performance to judge the Israelis by in DECADES, that's true, but that's hardly a strength. Between being surrounded by some of the most antiquated and backwards armies owned by any nation outside of Africa and being gunshy as hell after the Israeli people realized that what they did in the 80s was wrong, the IDF has done little but rest on its laurels and get into back-alley brawls in recent memory. I have no doubt Israel could still tar and feather anyone in the Middle East but that's as far as it goes. To find itself against a force that could go tit for tat with them technologically speaking, which exceeded them in number, and which trained to NATO standards would be an unmitigated disaster for Israel.
The UNFIL is a puppet force that if given the chance the IDF would walk over tommorow to take out their supply routes through syria.
Did you even read my initial posts in this thread? I've got spit when it comes to respect for UNIFIL- it's a strange little abortion of a light infantry division headed by a uniformed diplomat and it's only real function is to serve as a trip-wire that would bring down further European forces if Israel did anything stupid. If you think I'm suggesting that Israel can't destroy one little infantry division you're taking me for some kind of a retard. What I'm telling you is that if Israel does what it easily could to UNIFIL, Europe and possibly the United States are going to unleash the kind of plague that would make Moses crap himself and send the IDF to a circle of Hell that Dante was afraid to write about.
the circumstances are against Israel as they are not allowed to act with enough liberty and freedom to ensure their lasting saftey.
Not so. Israel is free, nay, WELCOME, to stop playing "gotcha last" with their neighbors, stop being part of the military problem, and start being part of a social sollution, not unlike the decision that American voters not so subtly suggested that their own government make back on the 7th.
Tell me which European force can deploy and operate in the middle east on its own? Without the US military logistics machine they can't even win against nations like Pakistan or Iran!
Care to inform me of a recent war between Europe and Pakistan or are you just pulling that out of your nethers?
Though it may not be publically aware the level of co-operation between the US military industry and the Israeli defence manufacturers is quite deep and most companies in the US source parts regularly from Israeli manufactureres and companies, not to mention other Israeli owned companies based in Europe.
If you'll recall I alluded to that "not publically aware" fact in my last post. So Israel has defense contractors. Yay for them. Some of the most backwards nations in the world do. It means spit. Yes, Israel makes a buttload of weapons and ammunition. Uzis, original design borrowed heavily from CZ-25. Desert Eagle's, an improvement on an American patent subcontracted to IMI by an American company. Tankrounds designed by Americans for Americans. New unmanned turret systems for American M-113s, electronic warfare packages for American F-15Es with American targeting equipment, etc etc etc. Israel starts with American and European designs then uses American capital to fund minor improvements. The Israelis are peons for Western defense industries when you get right down to it. We let them play because A. it helps prop them up without just handing them money for free, and B. It's cost-effective. C. Arms going from Israeli factories to various unsavory causes don't get American politicians in nearly as much trouble as arms from American factories going to those same places, even though in either case it's happening because America wants it to.
And since we're on the subject of Israeli arms manufacturing and how brilliantly the Israeli defense industry performs, don't you find it Ironic that Israel, which supplies 10% of the global arms trade and deals in Eastern Bloc callibers, is probably producing most of the 7.65 x 39 rounds that end up inside of Israeli citizens?
As for messing with the continent that Napolean spawned, Israel is not on that continent and napolean never made it to the middle east anyway!
Either you define Middle East differently than most people or you don't have the foggiest clue where Egypt is. Either way it has little to do with the rather remote possibility of Napoleon rising from the grave and coming after Israel, but rather just happened to fit in with my accusation that Israel has got some kind of complex over its size.