Originally posted by The Vagabond
Because one of their generals subtly asked for permission to shoot at you, and you responded by shooting at them?
Your talking about one of their generals on a death wish or making career suicide or in this case both preferably ??
Israel doesn't remember that it only exists because the West is amused by how badly it irks the Muslims.
Another delusion, that Europe actually has a say in the matter. had it been left to Europe Hitler would still be in control of them and running the
rest of the world through proxy. They didnt have it in them to stand up for themselves what makes you think they can stand against anybody else? Its
like the Arab delusion that Israel will one day vanish, it isnt ever going to happen. Israel doesnt exsist on anybody's sympathy and nobody
should forget that!
Last I checked, that would be considered to work in Europe's favor. That being said, the Euros aren't wholly dependent on America either. The
neat thing about having a GDP significantly larger than Israel's is that there's a lot you can do on your own.
Having a bigger GDP eh? You mean all those people on social security making Europe proud or those Arab and African immigrants who actually do all the
work in Europe ?
The only thing that works to Europe’s favor is that they don’t have to use their heads and they let Israel do that for them!
The neat thing about having universal conscription is that all your citizens can fight and when you have 5 million of them, it can turn the odds on
Europe both politically and militarily are insignificant, ever since WW2 they have accomplished only one thing and that is glorifing the role of an
impotent sidekick, which they show great alacrity in observing. None of the developing powers in asia even takes into consideration the Euros because
they know they are inconsequential! The only thing that works in Europe’s favor is that they are associated with the US and the association, which
prevents the third world from taking retribution on them!
There hasn't been a performance to judge the Israelis by in DECADES, that's true, but that's hardly a strength. Between being surrounded by some of
the most antiquated and backwards armies owned by any nation outside of Africa and being gunshy as hell after the Israeli people realized that what
they did in the 80s was wrong, the IDF has done little but rest on its laurels and get into back-alley brawls in recent memory.
Thats a laugh! you mean the technology that is made and developed by Israelis all over the world ? Made by Israeli companies for the west?
Isreal has seen more action than any of the European nations and if you think that one little misadventure is going to shackle the IDF then I guess
the US should have been so traumatized after Vietnam that they relinquished their military! Guess what Einstein ( you see the irony here!
hasn’t stopped them from marauding across the planet with their rag tag cronies has it ?
As for fighting worthy adversaries, Egypt was the 4th largest military back in the day till the IDF left them in a puddle of piss and waking up from
some of the same delusions of being "technologically" on par/tit for tat with Israel.
If you think I'm suggesting that Israel can't destroy one little infantry division you're taking me for some kind of a retard. What I'm telling
you is that if Israel does what it easily could to UNIFIL, Europe and possibly the United States are going to unleash the kind of plague that would
make Moses crap himself and send the IDF to a circle of Hell that Dante was afraid to write about.
Europe couldnt lift a stone without initiation by the US or somebody else. Even when they were lead to believe they were under imminent threat by
Saddam hussein they didnt have the balls to muster a force without the US grabbing them by the collar and dragging them along! As for the US caring if
the Euros live or die in Lebanon you have another thing coming! Even if the Israelis arrested the UNFIL and deported them, there would at the most be
say, expulsion of the Israeli ambassador from European nations, they dont have it in them to take cyprus forget about Israel! If they did, they would
be paying Israel to kill them!!
Not so. Israel is free, nay, WELCOME, to stop playing "gotcha last" with their neighbors, stop being part of the military problem, and start being
part of a social sollution, not unlike the decision that American voters not so subtly suggested that their own government make back on the
Oh condescending platitudes!! Thats original! Havent heard that one before have we
Unfortunately the holier than thou ivory tower junkies dont know what that solution is exactly! Yet there is this condescending attitude that Israel
must be part of the solution as if to say there are Israelis running amok in Palestine blowing up falafel stands with women and kids in them !
Obviously, it is the Israelis who have to sustain bombardment to their cities through rocket attacks and fight off wave after wave of suicide bombers
while the west dances about singing platitudes from their ivory towers, all the while exhibiting what failures they themselves are in the middle east
and elsewhere in the world! Yeah, that inspires confidence in Israel, listen to the guys getting shot to pieces from Afganistan to Iraq! Had the
Western powers actually had the balls to stomach a resolution that is practical the problem would have ended years ago but as with everything European
there is an acute shortage of balls when the # hits the fan!
Being part of the solution, why doesn’t the West take that advice around the world ?
Care to inform me of a recent war between Europe and Pakistan or are you just pulling that out of your nethers?
Do you even understand the language I have written in or for that matter the context ? It was a comparison, you know like apples Vs oranges ?
Apparently, I have led myself to believe that those who post on this thread are capable of more than just rudimentary traces of comprehension.
I was merely trying to point out the starkly obvious inability of any, if not all European powers to take on a nation like of Pakistan or for that
I hope the above statement registers
Uzis, original design borrowed heavily from CZ-25. Desert Eagle's, an improvement on an American patent subcontracted to IMI by an American company.
Tankrounds designed by Americans for Americans.
Obviously, it is hard for the chest-beating, egocentric western citizen that conceive that the Jews of lowly Israel actually now shows them how
things are done! In time however you will learn as most have.
As for borrowing American designs, it was the Americans who ask Israel to improve their designs because they cant do anything better with it. When
the Israeli industry does come up a design it is marketed as a Western design that is produced by the brilliant minds in the West. Israel doesnt care
about the glory, as every system that the US sells is only paid back to Israel to use for better systems! Europe end up with the junk that America
will not have and is it with this that you imagine that they can even hope to take Israel ??
don't you find it Ironic that Israel, which supplies 10% of the global arms trade and deals in Eastern Bloc callibers, is probably producing most of
the 7.65 x 39 rounds that end up inside of Israeli citizens?
Dont you find it ignorant to say this despite the fact that most terrorists dont use Ak 47s against Israeli citizens anymore given the heightened
security in Israel and with the IDF marching through their streets day in and day out?
Also dont forget that if these Nato rounds are killing Israeli civilians ( as you earnestly hope! ) then these are surely the same rounds mowing
through your troops in the middle east, not to forget the rpg's, mines, etc all friendly touches from people who go the extra mile for the service
you pay for!
but rather just happened to fit in with my accusation that Israel has got some kind of complex over its size.
The only complex here is the delusion that Israel exsits due to the mercy of others and that is a delusion the west should learn is far from the
truth. Oft it has been that co-operation with one side or the other has helped Israel come by but it has always been about Israel and it will always
be about Israel for it was found not with the blessing of any nation, certainly not the European powers! The size of Israel has been one of the key
factors that has helped it gain victory so easily over its arab aggressors. You lewd analogy to napolean is ludicrous at best because if expansion had
been its aim, 4 victories over its neighbors would surely have not made it relinquish the Sinai for peace.