Originally posted by Leveller
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
You also seem to forget these are AMERICANS you are talking about. You must know too, that there was NOT another possible selling point in invading
Iraq. This is not britian. Unless Americans are convinced that it is a direct threat to thier safety, that they are being attacked, they will not send
You kinda invalidate your own point by mentioning those other countries.
The US has never shirked from taking military action away from home. It's armed forces have been more active in foreign countries than any other
The US admins always managed to sell their wars before. You reckon one more would have made such a big difference?
And although I disagree with your analysis of the Saudi military, what makes you think Iraqi forces were any better? In fact, from the way they the US
just walked straight into Baghdad I woulda said that the Saudis were on pretty safe ground.
SirSyco - You're as boring as ECK.
Youre wrong. Simply because America marched wherever they wanted, you seem to not be seperating the US govornment from the US people. Ill give you a
little list of wars publically known:
World War 1: Unpopular until the sinking of the lusitania, then everyone was happy to enter, because propoganda told them the germans were out to get
World War 2: No desire to enter another silly European conflict, until pearl harbor, then public support skyrocketed.
Korea: residual paranoia of communists and the russians made public support pretty much good.
Vietnam: Nothing, vastly unpopular. VERY unpopular. Why? Americans simply did not see the point in it. The vietnamese werent bothering us, and
communist paranoia pretty much had died.
Grenada: Apathy. People pretty much saw no point, scratched thier heads, thought it stupid.
Lebenon: Same as grenada.
Air Strike in Libyia: Khadafi was directly attacking Americans
Panama: Apathy. Curisosity. Why were we going after Noriega? Dont we have better things to do?
Desert Storm: popular. why? Because Saddam took American hostages. He was considered a threat. The cold war had ended, and we were rather nervous
about the rise of new enemies.
Somolia: Apathy, unpopular. No point. Who cared?
Haiti/Rwanda: apathy, annoyance. general public sentiment: we are tired of sending tropps to stupid little countries.
Bosnia: very unpopular. Americans now pretty much fed up with troops getting deployed everywhere. isolationismn getting alot more popular. At least
militarily. The general consensus: why are we wasting time, money, and people on idiots who cant police themselves? # them.
There you have it leveler. You are very wrong. the US govornment, umnless it could convince totally the American people, that they were under serious
threat, would never be able to sell a war. Hell, before 9/11 there was alot of popular support for pulling our forces out from all over the world.
There was popular apathy, everyone pretty much forgot about saddam. people wanted us to pull our troops out of the middle east.
The only way they were gonna get popular public support for another invasion , not just iraq, but several other nations, was to make americans sky
high paranoid and fearful. An attack.
That was the only way, leveler. Im not sure where you get our govornment being able to sell us thier wars. Simply because our govornment sumped troops
here and there, does not mean the public was thrilled, or in many cases, was even aware of it.
Americans have no real taste for war unless they think and feel the enemy is out to get them. To make them think this, Americans must be attacked.
Even attacking our troops overseas isnt enough. Khobar and the USS cole was greeted here with a shake of the head, and a "well, why are we still
there anyway" mentality.
9/11, it is clear to see, was a govornment/Israel/al qaeda effort to push that fear and paranoia to new levels to make Americans want to go to war and
take out any country they suspect might be going to attack them. Attacking our troops and embassys isnt enough. There had to be something MORE,
something that would be so horrifically buried into our heads forever, something horrific.
9/11 was just that. Hell, I live 3000 miles on the opposite side of the country, and I still have nightmares from that day. It did the trick. Even
govornment haters like myself cannot shake the after effects of that day.