The FBI Wants to track your online activities

Yes it's true, the FBI has now decided they want ISP's to track your online activity and report it to the Feds...yes so now they want to know what we're all talking about and thinking (apparently they are just too lazy to go through these forums themselves)

Off to the camps with us all apparently...here's the full story below...what are your thoughts on this matter?

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Declan McCullagh, for News.com FBI Director Robert Mueller on Tuesday called on Internet service providers to record their customers' online activities, a move that anticipates a fierce debate over privacy and law enforcement in Washington next year.
"Terrorists coordinate their plans cloaked in the anonymity of the Internet, as do violent sexual predators prowling chat rooms," Mueller said in a speech at the International Association of Chiefs of Police conference in Boston.

"All too often, we find that before we can catch these offenders, Internet service providers have unwittingly deleted the very records that would help us identify these offenders and protect future victims," Mueller said. Read the full story at News.com

[edit on 18-10-2006 by Max Cass]

Why be so upset if you aren't doing anything illegal? I at least wont care much if they know i surf conspiracy forums or know what i order online if they can be more efficient catching terroists/sexual predators, but hey, everyone is different.

Originally posted by akg
Why be so upset if you aren't doing anything illegal?

That is not the point. The "if you are doing nothing wrong, what do you have to hide" technique goes nowhere. It is an argument put out again and again, and holds no water. Why don't you walk around naked, that way I know you don't have any WMD's in your pocket. After all, what do you have to hide?

They already run everything through a computer anyway, I would guess. It's no very surprising, though I find it offensive.

They are watching everybody? Or just select people?

"Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security, will not have nor do they deserve either one." - Thomas Jefferson

They are watching boards like these, islamic websites, anyone who doesn't agree with them that could "cause trouble"

And to say that if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about is such a stupid excuse...I have nothing to hide and yet I believe in my RIGHTS the bill of rights that says I have the right to privacy that I have the right to due process and all my other rights...

I'm all for catching perverts and "terrorists", but the question is - the label terrorist can be applied to anyone who disagrees - so when will we be labeled terrorists?

Get my point, you have to watch out for the rights of all people, not just yourself...and to say that oh I have nothing to hide is wrong...



[edit on 18-10-2006 by Max Cass]

Originally posted by akg
Why be so upset if you aren't doing anything illegal? I at least wont care much if they know i surf conspiracy forums or know what i order online if they can be more efficient catching terroists/sexual predators, but hey, everyone is different.

Good Lord! Are you kidding me!?


To tell you the truth akg, about 3 or 4 months ago, I was introduced by a close friend about some of the "ongoings" in our government today. I had the same reaction when we started talking about the "wiretap" issue. What have I got to hide? I have nothing to hide, but that is just completely besides the point. What probable cause do they have to "spy" on me? If you take some time to investigate your rights (go HERE for a comprehensive listing) you would learn that no one... absolutely NO ONE has the right to infringe upon your freedoms without 1. probable cause, 2. undeniable evidence, 3. your personal surrender of own said freedoms, or lastly 4. times of invasion or rebellion (which would be the only terms set forth in our Constitution for Bush's last bill: Military Commissions Act of 2006 where he has suspended habeus corpus).

People that have the desire to do #3 above, are the type that this government love, someone that is more than willing to personally surrender own said freedoms, not put up a fight for their rights... someone that is more than happy to insure the governments ability to sustain "total control and power", and for "you" to continue to line their pocket with money.

akg, I do not think badly of you for thinking that way. Remember, I thought the same way once. I am not trying to convince you of my theories, thoughts, beliefs, and whatever else. I would simply encourage you to do some investigating. Take yourself out of the perspective of "What do I have to hide." Put yourself into the perspective of, "If I give up all my rights and freedoms today, what will tomorrow be like for my children?" (That is if you have any or even wish to have some someday)

I wish you the best of luck, akg. I really do.

May God Bless.

Infoholic, you rock!! Well said!!

Originally posted by akg
Why be so upset if you aren't doing anything illegal?

Why get upset if the government is learing through your bedroom window all day if you aren't doing anything illegal? Do you mind if they watch you on the toilet if your aren't a drug mule and excreting your stash? It's called personal privacy.

Originally posted by Max Cass
Infoholic, you rock!! Well said!!

i agree, very well said... i particularly liked this quote:

"If I give up all my rights and freedoms today, what will tomorrow be like for my children?"

and this one from you as well:

"Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security, will not have nor do they deserve either one." - Thomas Jefferson

i think those two quotes speak volumes...



i don't really do anything illegal online but i sure as hell don't want everything i do online to be monitored either... i'm totally against installing anything like the Yahoo and Google toolbars, or the Google Desktop, &c... i'm mainly just a hardcore gamer and a forum-whore... i do occasionally get a crack for a program or two but about 99% of everything on my pc is legally owned... and i don't surf for kiddie porn or sites on how to make bombs or related topics... no, i don't have anything to hide either; it's jsut a matter of privacy, and for that privacy to be respected...

[edit on 18 10Oct 06 by m3rlz]

Ohh well I own a site about 9/11.. where are those camps again???
HAHA sucks to be me...

LOL ThichHeaded - I'll see ya at the camps....wonder if it'll be anything like girlscout camp....toast the marshmallows before they send us off to the gas chambers.

What if you post statements that you think the government was responsible for 9-11 or that you feel an election was rigged... and then a few years from now, they place you in a detainment camp because of your statements?

How would you feel about your privacy then?

I see that happening eventually, they'll put those that come to these boards, or have blogs on other sites in detention camps simply because we disagree with the theories behind 9/11 or because we disagree with the war, the administration, all that those in power represent...if they notice that, don't you think they'll want to silence us? Of course they will, and just ask - how many of your neighbors would miss you? Family? Would anyone fight to get you free?

That's why you have to fight to stay free and keep those freedoms, so that you don't lose them when some fanatical government decides they've heard enough from us.

Originally posted by Max Cass
"Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security, will not have nor do they deserve either one." - Thomas Jefferson

Not trying to be picky but it was Benjamin Franklin that said

Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.

But really does this surprise anyone?? My question is how far will our government go?...

How far will us citizens allow it to go??

Originally posted by akg
Why be so upset if you aren't doing anything illegal?

This is why we are where we are today.

What a great example.

Maybe its none of their damned business what i type here- thats why.

After some careful thought of the situation, I've come to a conclusion.


If the FBI or anyone else is going to monitor where I go online and what I look at, I am pretty sure that they are only going to find one thing.


I SPEND A LOT OF TIME READING SOURCES, FROM EVERY DIFFERENT ANGLE, DEPICTING THE GOVERNMENT'S STORY IS BS!!!!

These sources include everything from ATS to mainstream media, even the ones that have endorsed the Bush Administration!

So... not only will the FBI/Government alledgedly point the "terrorist" finger at bloggers, but shouldn't they point the "terrorist" finger at everyone that visits a Yahoo headline page, a Foxnews headline page, a MSNBC headline page, or a New York Times headline page?

Oh my, I just visited a legit page (usinfo.state.gov none the less) and, by God, it states right there that I have the right to voice my opinion.


Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


So since I visited a website (I hope the FBI pays close attention to this) that the government has furnished, does that make me a terrorist? or a concerned American that does not enjoy being raped?

There are times when I would like to post something I feel may red flag me so I do the mental exercises to decide if I am going to change my behavior to not draw attention to myself. Most times I decide that I am not going to change who I am out of fear because that is against everything I believe in. It is all such a mind **ck.

It does bring home the fact that "the terrorist have won when the people are afraid" So just who is terrorizing who?

Originally posted by interestedalways
So just who is terrorizing who?

Touche'

Folks, EVERYTHING you do online is recorded by your isp anyway. Where you go, what sites you visit, what you type. Your emails, phone conversations and instant messages are all filtered thru Echelon. We need to understand there is no differance between being online and being at the mall. You are in a public place and have no privacy here.

The internet is a double edged sword. It gives you the freedom to be whatever you decide to be, and records it for all time.

Just my thoughts on it,

It's not that people have nothing to hide. They are invading our privacy. They are destroying our freedoms. They say America is the land of the free. Yes it is the land of the free, the land that allows the government to do anything they want.

Monitoring internet activites is like having everyone watched doing anything on your own free will. Every private conversation you have someone in a FBI building could be laughing at you. America is taking away their citizens privacys. They want to make America "safe". Would you rather be safe and not be able to do something and wonder if somehow you will get in trouble for it. Or do you rather think that a plane may fly into another building but have the feeling that you are free.

I rather be free.