Originally posted by thelibra
Anti-Radiation Pills - Do they work? What brand? What dose? For how long? Are they pre-emptive or symptom-based?
This is a good FAQ. It explains iodide and also how you can use it. I purchased KI pills from these people and they seem to have a good rep. Also
got one of their keychain radmeters and tested it to their specs. Pretty useful even tho' I'll hopefully never need or use it.
From Cresson H. Kearny, the author of Nuclear War Survival Skills by Oak Ridge National Laboratory, states on page 114:
"To prepare a saturated solution of potassium iodide, fill a bottle about 60% full of crystalline or granular potassium iodide. (A 2-fluid-ounce
bottle, made of dark glass and having a solid, non-metallic, screwcap top, is a good size for a family. About 2 ounces of crystalline or granular
potassium iodide is needed to fill a 2-fluid-ounce bottle about 60% full.) Next, pour safe, room-temperature water into the bottle until it is about
90% full. Then close the bottle tightly and shake it vigorously for at least 2 minutes. Some of the solid potassium iodide should remain permanently
undissolved at the bottom of the bottle; this is proof that the solution is saturated.
Experiments with a variety of ordinary household medicine droppers determined that 1 drop of a saturated solution of potassium iodide contains from 28
to 36 mg of potassium iodide."
Two ounces of granulated Potassium Iodide (KI), mentioned above, is about 56.7 grams.
Also, from the above, an adult would be wanting four drops of the saturated solution as an expedient dosage. This would amount to between 112 to 144
mg of Potassium Iodide (KI) total. Remember, 130 mg of KI is an adult daily dose and half that (65 mg) is a child (age 3-12) daily dose.
I have read that you do not want to wear any metal that has been within the radiation wave area, especially denser metals such as gold, as they
become radioactive much more quickly. Is this true?
Not true. If you are exposed to radioactive particles, you are in trouble anyway. Metals do not attract more irradiated particles unless those
particles are airborne and metallic (unlikely as most irradiated material is earthen).
Are there any animals that are recommended "detectors" for particular nuke/bio/chem situations (such as the song-birds that coal-miners used to
use)? I realize this question might raise the ire of our animal lovers. Rest assured I'm not calling for a round of test subjects to be created, but
it would be nice to know what options exist, and detector does not neccessarily = killed by. Dogs, for instance, are pretty darn good at smelling
things and anticipating Earthquakes.
Not for a nuke. If you are above ground when the flash comes, you need to dive and I mean DIVE for the nearest shadow. The light itself may give you
a terminally hurtful sunburn. After the flash you've got a few seconds to get under cover for the blast wave. Any dogs or parakeets will be hurt,
but even in a city-nuke event, only 50-60% of the inhabitants of the area will die immediately. Most will linger and die later.
Is the idea of a bomb shelter in the back yard truly worth something, or was it just some WWII propaganda to make people feel better? Any cases of
these bomb shelters proving effective, and if so, against what forms of attack?
You have to be underground for at least one month in the event of nearby nuke. This would be to avoid irradiated particles falling from the sky.
Also, there will be desperate humans who will kill you, and probably in numbers. Yes having a HIDDEN underground location would be good but if it's
obvious and if aid is slow to reach the affected area, you may find yourself facing hostiles outside, and even if you have a lock on the door, they
can block air filters or force you out in other ways. People in shelters will be targets for wounded and hungry humans who didn't prepare.
Good questions TL.
I started thinking about nuke war a few years back. First, you need to get away from blast zones if you can. If you cannot move away from where
nukes will hit and blow fallout (winds generally move west-to-east over the US, not rocket science to see where fallout will go). --Oh and did you
know the government killed a nuclear fallout study in the US? It wasn't deemed really possible and therefore not a priority for Americans. Read
more at this link.
. Meanwhile the Soviets get REAL nuke survival skills. I bought a DVD set from
KI4U also and it's all still frames in Russian but it is packed with diagrams, posters and information.
Anyway, if you are not killed by the flash, blast or panic, you'll need to stay underground for a few weeks. As mentioned by DropInTheBucket, the
7/10 rule means radioactivity drops way off after a couple weeks. If you can stay hidden and alive, there will be aid at some point.
The main problem will be food and water. Water can be filtered (radiation doesn't 'stick' to water but to particles IN the water) but food will be
tough to come by. Also you'll be facing gunfire and hostility from other hungry Americans who've been set up by their own government.
Good thread. Probably your survival will depend upon two things mainly: Communication skills (or lack thereof), and the kindness of others. Failing
either of these two things, survival probably will be tough for the random person.
Good books to read: Pulling Through
, On the
More from Wikipedia on the human thyroid:
Because of the thyroid's selective uptake and concentration of what is a fairly rare element, it is sensitive to the effects of various
radioactive isotopes of iodine produced by nuclear fission. In the event of large accidental releases of such material into the environment, the
uptake of radioactive iodine isotopes by the thyroid can, in theory, be blocked by saturating the uptake mechanism with a large surplus of
non-radioactive iodine, taken in the form of potassium iodide tablets. While biological researchers making compounds labelled with iodine isotopes
do this, in the wider world such preventive measures are usually not stockpiled before an accident, nor are they distributed adequately afterward. One
consequence of the Chernobyl disaster was an increase in thyroid cancers in children in the years following the accident. 
Also more from www.ki4u.com...
on your thyroid and how it is the first part which will degrade:
Q: Radioactive Iodine: Bad News / Good News!?!
A: The "bad news" first:
#1 - Radioactive iodine (predominantly iodine-131) is a major radioisotope constituent in nuclear power plants.
#2 - There are 103 currently active commercial nuclear reactors and 39 operating nonpower reactors in the United States. (434 worldwide as of 1998.)
Additionlly, there are numerous other nuclear processing and storage facilities worldwide with the potential for accidents, too.
The, September 29, 1999, Tokaimura, Japan nuclear accident took place, not in a nuclear reactor power plant, but in an uranium processing
Radioactive iodine-131 gases were confirmed to have been released and was the primary reason for 320,000 Japanese confined to their homes with their
windows shut. It was also why you may have seen photos of Japanese authorities examining scores of children with geiger counters pressed against their
#3 - Radioactive iodine (predominantly iodine-131) is also a major constituent of detonated nuclear weapons.
#4 - Radioactive iodine can not only travel hundreds of miles on the winds, but also still remain health threatening even as other radioisotopes are
becoming dispersed and diluted along with it and their likelyhood of causing harm diminishes. It is often overlooked that while there will also be
many other dangerous radioisotopes released along with radioiodine, if they are inhaled or ingested they are normally dispersed throughout a body and
pose less of a risk than if they were to be concentrated into one small specific area of the body, like radioiodine is in the thyroid gland. As a
plume or cloud of radioactive isotopes disperses with the wind its danger also diminshes, but always much less quickly so for radioiodine because
whatever little there is that's inhaled will always be concentrated into that small space of the thyroid gland.
NUREG-1633 points out an increase in thyroid cancer caused by radioiodine from Chernobyl...
"...was detected in Belarus, Russia, and Ukraine. Notably, this increase, seen in areas more than 150 miles (300 km) from the site, continues to this
day and primarily affects children who were 0-14 years old at the time of the accident...the vast majority of the thyroid cancers were diagnosed
among those living more than 50 km (31 miles) from the site."
Make a circle on your selected world map, scale size of 31 miles. Then place one of these circles at every nuclear plant and uranium processing plant
which is known to exist. Prepare accordingly.
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