Hydrogen Bombs Brought Down The WTC's Hypothesis

Originally posted by six
[Sorry if I was not clear. What I ment was without the damage from the airliner. A intact building without any damage that you were just going to blow up. Not CD, just plain ol' blow up.

“When the two arrived at the C level, they found the machine shop gone. “There was nothing there but rubble, “Mike said. “We’re talking about a 50 ton hydraulic press ? gone!” The two began yelling for their co-workers, but there was no answer.

They saw a perfect line of smoke streaming through the air. “You could stand here,” he said, “and two inches over you couldn’t breathe. We couldn’t see through the smoke so we started screaming.” But there was still no answer.

The two made their way to the parking garage, but found that it, too, was gone. “There were no walls, there was rubble on the floor, and you can’t see anything” he said. They decided to ascend two more levels to the building’s lobby.

As they ascended to the B Level, one floor above, they were astonished to see a steel and concrete fire door that weighed about 300 pounds, wrinkled up “like a piece of aluminum foil” and lying on the floor. “

Originally posted by six
No prep work...Just blow it up. Not controlled...No safe guards...Just brute force. Along the lines of Damocles old proffession. Nothing pretty.

Originally posted by Insolubrious

Originally posted by jfj123

Either prove BOTH fallout and EMP or drop it.

I thought we put forward a fairly strong case for EMP and fallout (and the apprent lack of it), perhaps try reading the thread again?

[edit on 8-11-2007 by Insolubrious]

Originally posted by bsbray11

Originally posted by jfj123
except since there was no radioactive fallout, EMP

Prove it. Both would be much less severe than in the bombs that wipe out cities. The isotopes that emit radiation were mostly hauled off in the debris and the ones that were left were not looked for and would still be decaying, 6 years later. The EMP could have and imo would have been negligible because of the small size of the bomb required. It takes a truly massive nuclear explosive to cause an impressive EMP, compared to what we're talking about.

Originally posted by jfj123
There were some suggestions that a bit of radiation was found at ground zero but as several people posted, there are MANY sources for the possible radiation found such as exit signs, smoke detectors, radon, etc..

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by jfj123
There were some suggestions that a bit of radiation was found at ground zero but as several people posted, there are MANY sources for the possible radiation found such as exit signs, smoke detectors, radon, etc..

Do you have any facts or evidence as to how much radiation would be in exit signs, smoke detectors, etc ?

There would have to either be a lot of radiaton or a lot of signs and smoke detectors.

Originally posted by jfj123
No, I honestly have absolutely no facts or numbers. I was just repeating what someone else posted. I'll see if I can get some numbers for you though. Not sure if I'll be able to get the info tonight but I'll try.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by jfj123
No, I honestly have absolutely no facts or numbers. I was just repeating what someone else posted. I'll see if I can get some numbers for you though. Not sure if I'll be able to get the info tonight but I'll try.

Well i am pretty sure their would not be too much to the smoke detectors, and their would have to be thousands of them to make any real difference.

A typical Americium source contained in one ionizing detector intended for home use, would consist of 0.8 to 5.0 micro curies of Americium on a silver disc, coated with a very thin layer of gold. An industrial model may contain up to 15 micro curies. We usually speak of picoCuries of radiation, which are one millionth of a microCurie, as having biological significance for humans. According to Dr. Edward Martel, an expert on alpha particle emitters like Americium and Radium, one microCurie of Americium contains thousands of lethal doses if spread in a human population. Dr. Martel was a senior scientist at the US National Center for Atmospheric Research in Bolder, Colorado. Dr. Karl Morgan, Father of Health Physics and Emeritus Member of the International Commission on Radiological Protection, has stated that the risks are identical for Plutonium 239 and Americium 241. He adds that once in the environment, (after a fire or after having been discarded in a landfill), Americium is more of a risk than Plutonium because it is readily taken up by animals (including humans) and plants.

The alpha particles could escape from the metal foil while the detector is intact, if there is a leak of any kind or if the covering has been damaged. In a fire, incinerator, sanitary landfill (which is usually an aquifer recharging area), the radioactivity can be released. The gold foil covering the radioactive particle will melt at 1063 degrees Centigrade.

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Ionizing Smoke detectors contain one of the most toxic chemicals on earth, Americium 241. If the amount normally in an ionizing smoke detector were in a lab, it would trigger provisions of the nuckear regulations including labeling the area as containing radioactive material.

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Originally posted by six
reply to post by ULTIMA1

 

Sorry if I was not clear. What I ment was without the damage from the airliner. A intact building without any damage that you were just going to blow up. Not CD, just plain ol' blow up.

Originally posted by jfj123
At ground zero, there would be NO working cell phones after even a small EMP burst however, people were making phone calls so it is ruled out.

There were some suggestions that a bit of radiation was found at ground zero but as several people posted, there are MANY sources for the possible radiation found such as exit signs, smoke detectors, radon, etc..

Originally posted by Damocles
well if any engineer types around here can figure out how many core columns etc it would take to fail the building, i can figure what it would take to fail the columns...but its going to be an impressively large number.

Originally posted by jfj123
As you can see, there is quite a bit of Americium in a single industrial smoke detector

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Plausible deniability is the term given to the creation of loose and informal chains of command in governments and other large organizations. In the case that assassinations, false flag or black ops or any other illegal or otherwise disreputable and unpopular activities become public, high-ranking officials may deny any connection to or awareness of such act, or the agents used to carry out such act.

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Covert Operation: An operation that is so planned and executed as to conceal the identity of or permit plausible denial by the sponsor. A covert operation differs from a clandestine operation in that emphasis is placed on concealment of identity of sponsor rather than on concealment of the operation. From The U.S. Department of Defense Dictionary of Military and Associated Terms - Joint Publication JP1-02 dated 05 January 2007

Arkansas Department of Health and Human Services, announced today that one radioactive gauge is missing from a job site in Jonesboro, Arkansas. The gauge may pose a health risk to persons if handled or carried for an extended period of time. The missing gauge is in a yellow plastic transport case and weighs approximately 90 pounds.

Originally posted by jfj123
If you think the information I posted is inaccurate, please show me. So far thats the best info I could find.